Gods Big Bang

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Has anybody ever thought that the big bang theory was true and that was how God began the creation of the world. I mean Religion and science has been at odds for a long time. The only real issue is that the church has always had the attitude that they should be the go to guys for such information, and if they didn't have the answers they would just throw scripture at you and demonize you if you didn't bow to their will. What if science has fallen upon the very engine that God used to begin the universe.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

It's ironic you claim that religion and science has been at odds, when the Big Bang theory was proposed by a Belgian priest.

Georges Lemaître - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, it's unfortunate, but as our understanding of the physical world increases, it seems religion is hellbent on ignoring it. IMO, this will be religion's biggest mistake and downfall over the next 25 years.

 

[Jazer]

What if science has fallen upon the very engine that God used to begin the universe.

Science got the "Big Bang" theory from Religion. Rabbi Moses Nahmanides, back in the 1200's. Who says the theory goes back to the Moses in the Bible and was a part of the oral tradition. They say the Universe started out the size of a mustard seed.

 

[impblack]

It could be. There's no scientifical theory that says "a god created the universe", there are scienfical...not theories but ideas about how the universe could've started... but it is possible i could be a god. Just as far as i know is only a philosophical possibility (as many other theories about the start of the universe)

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

I never understood why religion seems to demand the answer to all questions is 'goddidit' and stops there. Instead of too simply take that as a given and think about how he did it. Would solve any conflict instantly.

 

[impblack]

jazer, did Rabbi Moses Nahmanides or Moses ever presented any proof for their theory?
The greeks, that had a hole different religion also had philosophical teories very similar to some modern science theories. One of those ideas was actually something similar the big bang (actualy it was about the conditions of the universe at its begining). And the athoms concept comes from the greek (even though it's wrong). I mean, they didn't had almost any proof, they thought of things that made sense and that explained the world. Every civilization had people who did it (many times philosophers or acient scientists), and they couldn't be always wrong, but they didn't had any proof, they just had theories that seemed right enough at that time. It is not surprising at all. It would be surprising if they had the mathematics and the scientifical proof we have now. If the Bible had 30 pages explaining special relativity or electromagnetism, i would be a christian.

 

[AV1611VET]

Georges Lemaître - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-- Part of his name is registered?

 

[Lillen]

and Hindu recordings of a new calpa every now and then is set forth in Hebrews 1:8-12.

The big crouch and rebirth of the universe is not a scientifical idea, it is biblical, and hindu wise men also got a explenation of this!

But to answer the question, I believe that God created the world in the manners it is written.

 

[Doveaman]

Has anybody ever thought that the big bang theory was true and that was how God began the creation of the world. I mean Religion and science has been at odds for a long time. The only real issue is that the church has always had the attitude that they should be the go to guys for such information, and if they didn't have the answers they would just throw scripture at you and demonize you if you didn't bow to their will. What if science has fallen upon the very engine that God used to begin the universe.

We know science is wrong about the big bang because of the scientific evidence against it.

Not all scientists support the big bang, and for good reason.

 

[Jazer]

jazer, did Rabbi Moses Nahmanides or Moses ever presented any proof for their theory?

Religion does not have "proof". proof is for science and the physical world. Religion is based on faith and the spiritual world.

It would be surprising if they had the mathematics and the scientifical proof we have now. If the Bible had 30 pages explaining special relativity or electromagnetism, i would be a christian.

There are Christian Scientists that claim to have proof for what they believe. For me right now I think Francis S. Collins is the best. For the Big Bang Theory that woud be Gerald L. Schroeder. I am not sure if he is Jewish or a Christian.

 

[roach]

Religion does not have "proof". proof is for science and the physical world. Religion is based on faith and the spiritual world.

There are Christian Scientists that claim to have proof for what they believe. For me right now I think Francis S. Collins is the best. For the Big Bang Theory that woud be Gerald L. Schroeder. I am not sure if he is Jewish or a Christian.

Again, you seem to imply that Christian (or any religious) Scientists are doing what you yourself think is unreasonable; using proof in the physical world to somehow justify faith in the spiritual world. If, on one hand you think science can say nothing about heaven and hell, your advocacy of Collins and his Biologos Foundation would make no sense because he aims to do just that. But if on the other hand, you admit science can access real knowledge about the "spritual" world, then you would have to accept that the faith claims of religion should be measured against the standards of scientific skepticism. It seems you are flipping from one view to the other, depending on the situation.

 

[Simply_Amazing]

Has anybody ever thought that the big bang theory was true and that was how God began the creation of the world. I mean Religion and science has been at odds for a long time. The only real issue is that the church has always had the attitude that they should be the go to guys for such information, and if they didn't have the answers they would just throw scripture at you and demonize you if you didn't bow to their will. What if science has fallen upon the very engine that God used to begin the universe.

It's a nice idea, but where's your proof? (to answer your question, lots and lots of people have thought of that)

 

[Simply_Amazing]

Religion does not have "proof". proof is for science and the physical world. Religion is based on faith and the spiritual world.

"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." - Christopher Hitchens

I think that about sums up your argument.

 

[impblack]

There are Christian Scientists that claim to have proof for what they believe. For me right now I think Francis S. Collins is the best. For the Big Bang Theory that woud be Gerald L. Schroeder. I am not sure if he is Jewish or a Christian.

And you have scientists proving some greek philosophical ideas right. They didn't present proof back then. Doesn't mean they were bad theories, but they didn't had proof, they were right in some of them by coincidence. The bible has no sciente at all. It has some theories that can be related to scientifcal ideas, but you don't see complex math and physics in the bible. There's no proof, no calculus, only philosophy.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence." - Christopher Hitchens

I think that about sums up your argument.

Reps for you sir, spoonfuls of reps!

 

[Jazer]

It seems you are flipping from one view to the other, depending on the situation.

I do not think it is a view, it is the dictionary definition we are looking for here.

 

[steve_bakr]

Has anybody ever thought that the big bang theory was true and that was how God began the creation of the world. I mean Religion and science has been at odds for a long time. The only real issue is that the church has always had the attitude that they should be the go to guys for such information, and if they didn't have the answers they would just throw scripture at you and demonize you if you didn't bow to their will. What if science has fallen upon the very engine that God used to begin the universe.

Yes, I have thought of that. Apparently, though, because of quantum theory, the Big Bang theory has to be rethought.

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

Yes, I have thought of that. Apparently, though, because of quantum theory, the Big Bang theory has to be rethought.

They're one step ahead of you my friend.

'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009 - YouTube

 

[steve_bakr]

And you have scientists proving some greek philosophical ideas right. They didn't present proof back then. Doesn't mean they were bad theories, but they didn't had proof, they were right in some of them by coincidence. The bible has no sciente at all. It has some theories that can be related to scientifcal ideas, but you don't see complex math and physics in the bible. There's no proof, no calculus, only philosophy.

The Bible was never meant to be a science textbook. It deals with man's relationship to God.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

Religous people see the world throgh a different filter than anyone else. Everytime a scientist asks for proof, the faithful responds with it's everywhere. It's like two people on a bad acid trip looking at different visions. One can't see the others and all it comes down to is who gets tired of argueing and walks away first. The other feels vindicated.