Steal my words

[Fireinfolding]

This is sorta kool, I remember falling on a passage of scripture concerning prophets that steal my words (I suppose like father like sons here? )

So I was just thinking on some verses which can show it in various ways


Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

Mark 4:14 The sower soweth the word.

Jerm 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully.

What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.

Psalm 19:30 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal....


Jerm 23:30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.

Mark 4:15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Likewise here...

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Similitude...

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world.

Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God...


1Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

And likewise...

Rev 12:4... and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

We likewise in Him...

1Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Likewise...

James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Jerm 23:30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.

Jerm 23:31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.


Again, in a similtude and say "He saith"


Gen 3:1 Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

In accord with the working of Satan (speaking a lie)

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal....

Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Prov 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

John 8:44.... When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Jerm 23:32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

Jerm 3:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.


Prov 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.


Psalm 19:30 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

Same picture can be seen going back and reading what happened here...

Jerm 28:15 Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The LORD hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie.

2Cr 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

2Cr 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

Could be better put down but at least the working principal is found somewhat.

God bless all of you who love our Lord Jesus Christ

 

[C R F]

Man oh man oh man. No replys on this. This tread just blew my socks off. You put this together so well. I want to talk about this one. I have to go over the scriptures here a few times. There is so much knowledge in this one.

Before I even read it again, Jesus said to those that do the things he hated and they are in proverbs I think. I will come upon you as a thief in the night and no man knoweth that hour. The thief has his hands in another man's goods and your hands are your council. It means people will have the earthly understanding of Jesus. I'll have to read this about ten times. Great tread firenwater.

 

[C R F]

This is sorta kool, I remember falling on a passage of scripture concerning prophets that steal my words (I suppose like father like sons here? )

So I was just thinking on some verses which can show it in various ways


Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

Mark 4:14 The sower soweth the word.

Jerm 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully.

What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.

Psalm 19:30 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal....


Jerm 23:30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.

Mark 4:15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Likewise here...

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Similitude...

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world.

Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God...


1Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

And likewise...

Rev 12:4... and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

We likewise in Him...

1Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Likewise...

James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Jerm 23:30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.

Jerm 23:31 Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.


Again, in a similtude and say "He saith"


Gen 3:1 Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

In accord with the working of Satan (speaking a lie)

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal....

Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Prov 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

John 8:44.... When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Jerm 23:32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

Jerm 3:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.


Prov 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.


Psalm 19:30 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

Same picture can be seen going back and reading what happened here...

Jerm 28:15 Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The LORD hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie.

2Cr 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

2Cr 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

Could be better put down but at least the working principal is found somewhat.

God bless all of you who love our Lord Jesus Christ

I got to go to bed but I can't till I put some stuff in here. It says there add not to the word of the Lord lest the Lord reprove thee and thee be found a liar. Then go to revelations and it say blessed is he that reads the prophecy of this book and them that hear. The word of the Lord are spirit and the word of man as written have to be reproved for the man not to be a liar. Add not to the word of the Lord and they are not the flesh and take away from his words, people do that when they do not understand.

Satan was as a snake, Psalms says the man that has a lying tongue is like a snake because his words are like venum and will kill you ( Spiritually take away your life) Man is like a cobra with puffed up head in his own vanity. The man says god said put them to the sword, how many time does it say the word is a sword so does God wish people to be put to a sword or read the bible. Ones a liar and the other is the spiritual meaning and God is spirit and the bible is the spiritual guide.

I wish I could seperate every line in there and comment on each one.

 

[FirenWater]

Sorry CRF, since I changed my user name (having myself voluntarily banned under Fireinfolding) any replies to any threads under my old screen name are not visible to this current screen name ( in my CP). I should just ask them to unban me, because I didnt really think about that

His words rock, always seeking a patern in them. But yeah, His words quickened by His Spirit always makes things clearer.

Right now nothing (at all) is being quickened to me, usually (or rather hopefully) I should say in another month or two (Lord willing). I sure do hate these times, but give Him thanks for them just the same, because they must work something good in you to go through them.

Well...for now, I have time to search for cute smilies, whereas I wouldnt be even remotely interested in them (if these times didnt come)

And sadly, thats the best I can do in a dry situation, man... I really got to get it together.

God bless you

 

[Rainah]

Wow! Love the OP! Great association between verses. I think I may find kindred spirits here.

What is truth? There is a truth so pure, no lies can stand before those who love Him. Satan is the father of lies; who is the father of Truth? Our Father in Heaven wishes us to follow Truth. It's really all so simple and such burden is lifted when Wisdom shows us that our riches, our treasures, are in Christ alone--our solid ground, our all in all!

Keep searching the scriptures! Great job, Fire!

 

[FirenWater]

Welcome to CF Rainah


God be praised you both got something out of some of the comparisons.


Its pretty kool to find things like this threaded throughout scripture, His words so rock


Like Him (ofcourse)


God bless you, His peace be with you and thank you for your encouragement

 

[amadeus2]

Do not men steal God's words when they take scripture and use it to further anything that is not in accord with God's Spirit?

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

Our direction in all that we do must directed of the Lord, or we are misdirected. If a person reads the Bible to prove a conclusion that he has already reached, is he not going his own way instead of God's Way?

 

[FirenWater]

Thanks for adding amadeus2. Yes, Paul speaks of corrupting His words. Something I fear in doing. Which is why I try to quote the them comparing as best I can. I try not to "teach something" but set something forth (by way of considering). Thats sorta "my way". I'll usually say (something to the effect of) "this is pretty kool, these seem comparitive". That way its "hands off". Not me rewording them but trying to let His words speak for themsleves. I sure dont have any such confidence in myself to "go there". I keep thinking, "what if I corrupt what He is saying"? Afterall, Im to catch what He means, what He is showing. Thats what I am looking to see. What I might be seeing (I might remain a little bit silent on) but I try to put them forth the best I can.


Heres a little more, that wouldnt go off topic as it relates to lies, or falsehood. This is cut short taking them out of a previous study. I try to run a thing in various ways and find it helpful to get a clearer picture for myself. I just keep adding to what I have and things become more clearer as I keep looking.



False prophet

1) one who, **acting the part** of a divinely inspired prophet, utters falsehoods under the name of divine prophecies 2) a false prophet


Here you see a false prophet "plays an acting role" in divine utterances, they come in the Lords name and deceive and these declare "the Lord saith" when He does not.


Ezek 13:7Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, ***The Lord declares***" though I have not spoken?


Again, you can see it here...


Ezek 13:6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. They say, "The Lord declares," when the Lord has not sent them; yet they expect their words to be fulfilled.


Ezek 13:7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, ***The LORD saith it***; albeit I have not spoken?


Jerm 14:4 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies ***in my name***: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a **false vision and divination**, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.


Jerm 23:31 Behold, I am against **the prophets**, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, **He saith**.


1Sam 15:23 Forrebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the Lord, he has rejected you



Ezek 13:7 Have you not seen false visions anduttered lying divinationswhen you say, "The Lord declares," though I have not spoken?


Ezek 13:9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations.They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign Lord.

Or perhaps here is a bit clearer

Jerm 2:1 Hananiah the son of Azur the prophet, which was of Gibeon, spake unto me in the house of the LORD, in the presence of the priests and of all the people, saying, ***Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts***,the God of Israel, ***saying*** I have broken the yoke of the king of Babylon. Within two full years will I bring again into this place all the vessels of the LORD'S house, that Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon took away from this place, and carried them to Babylon etc



Jerm 28:6 the prophet Jeremiah said, ***Amen*** the LORD **do so***: the LORD perform ***THY WORDS*** which **THOU** hast prophesied, to bring again the vessels of the LORD'S house, and all that is carried away captive, from Babylon into this place.***Nevertheless*** hear thou now this word that I speak in thine ears, and in the ears of all the people; The prophets that have been BEFORE ME and BEFORE THEE of old prophesied both **against** many countries, and against great kingdoms, of war, and of evil, and of pestilence.

Jerm 28:10 Then Hananiah the prophet took the yoke from off the prophet Jeremiah's neck, and brake it. And Hananiah spake in the presence of all the people, saying,***Thus saith the LORD*** Even so will I break the yoke of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon from the neck of all nations within the space of two full years.And the prophet Jeremiah went his way.

Jerm 28:15 Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The LORD hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie.


Jerm 28:16 Therefore thus saith the LORD;Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because thou hast **taught rebellion** against the LORD.

Just as here...

1Sam 15:23 For **rebellion** is as the sin of witchcraft (the same as **divination**) and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.


Ezek 13:7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a **lying divination**, whereas ye say, **The LORD saith it**; albeit I have not spoken?

I try to compare them a few ways to make sure I am catching the thing right, for example, could be comparitive this way here (I have too many of them, to shorten them Im a snipping from a study)

Duet 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Jerm 28:15 Then said the prophet Jeremiah unto Hananiah the prophet, Hear now, Hananiah; The LORD hath not sent thee; but thou makest this people to trust in a lie.

Jerm 28:17 So Hananiah the prophet died the same year in the seventh month.

Duet 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Then ofcourse this one, shows some similiarities

1Kings 22:20 And the LORD said,Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner. And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

2Thes 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Thes 3:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

John 8:44.... When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

2Ch 18:22 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.

So it says...

1Cr 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

In otherwords "prove all things" (let God be true and every man a liar is in being justified and to overcome in relation to ones sayings)


Jerm 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.

Just as Jeremiah and Hannaniah (both prophets) spake in the hearing of the people, Jeremiah referring to the prophets before Him, establishing their validity.

Jesus said he that loves him not will not keep his sayings, and he adds, the word you hear is not his but the Fathers. Which is interesting because as much as we are to prove all things He speaks of how he proves us

Duet 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, (((to know))) whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.


So here (if you read it in context) speaks of a sign and wonder coming to pass (not one that does not). Jesus speaks of the same lying signs and wonders and going after them likewise. Theres many more comparisons I am feeling through to catch aright. Have more I scratch my head over too lol

I find this topic interesting though.

God bless you

 

[amadeus2]

Remember also that paraphrasing scripture doesn't mean necessarily abusing or twisting the Word of God. The Bible has been translated into many other languages as well as having been written up in various versions within the English language.


"And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they were able to hear it.

But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples." Mark 4:33-34


I believe the words I have made bold apply not only to the four gospels but to the whole of written scripture. God's message is contained in scripture, but not just anyone who reads in any way for any purpose is going to receive His message.

Remember these words from James:

"Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts." James 4:2-3


Do we really want God's Truth or do we want our ears tickled? Do we really want to teach people what "thus saith the Lord" or do we want to tickle their ears? God will give us His Truth... if it is what we really desire.

Some people, probably too many people, want a comfortable place for themselves. Should our own comfort ever be more important to us than pleasing God?

 

[FirenWater]

Hi amadeus2 Not always would I take paraphrasing as twisting it, one can touch upon something without expounding fully on it, and others can paraphrase it so often another might not be able to recognize His words anymore (by their own).

I believe the same of the parables


Psalm 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old:

It shows how he spake...

Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.


I dont have any comment for the rest, in respects to prayer, Solomon (in short) is probrobly the best example of not asking amiss for himself.

God bless you

 

[Fireinfolding]

This is FirenWater, just letting ya's know Im under my previous screen name again (Fireinfolding). I asked Nilla if she would lift my ban and was pretty gracious and did so for me.

Am I staying or am I going? I never know because Im so indecisive I drive myself nuts too.

Anyway, Im under Fireinfolding again, just letting you's know.

God bless you

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

This is FirenWater, just letting ya's know Im under my previous screen name again (Fireinfolding). I asked Nilla if she would lift my ban and was pretty gracious and did so for me.

Am I staying or am I going? I never know because Im so indecisive I drive myself nuts too.

Anyway, Im under Fireinfolding again, just letting you's know.

God bless you

I'll just call you Fire, just in case.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I'll just call you Fire, just in case.

You know who I am but others might not, which is why I just said

Thats perfectly fine bro (heck, Kim is even shorter) whichever really (lol).

Writing the whole thing out is a pain in the rear I "get it"

God bless you brother

 

[C R F]

Everything in this tread just confirms what I have always believed and said. The teachings of the bible with the understanding of this world is in error. The truth is in the spiritual understanding and when the Lord reproves his word all men before that are shown to be liars. People teaching the bible with out the understanding from God are stealing the word of God from their neighbor. The earthly understanding is the wrong Spirit and the advesary of the lord.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I think thats how every one of us begins CRF and I am certainly no exception to that rule, and I know (and God knows it better then I) that I dont understand everything (or make claims that I do) I'd be a liar on that point alone.

Experiencially (well for me) it was often those who claimed to know everything that would be trying to take His words from me and give me their own

Well, thats how I percieved it anyways.

I forget who I was telling, whether it was SpiritInTruth or Wheeler? (I forget) but I had a freind who would tell me her every dream, I mean "pink elephants" and the works (all these weird dreams) which were from God (or so she'd claimed). Well, what do I know? I dont dream myself (save if I ate too much pizza before going to bed) but she'd sorta freak me out (I'll admit it) I didnt want to cause waves (hated confrontation) and I'd sorta let someone go on (and endure it) but it was "on and on and on and on" with these dreams. So I had to get on the phone with another freind ( I trusted) to seek counsel on how to graciously bow out of listening to all these dreams (two years worth) I mean what the heck? And this was after I told her I dont dream and I am sorta uncomfortable listening to them (to be truthful).

I mean... I couldnt prove them, so how on earth were they edifying to me? And if she was so spiritual where the heck was her discernment concerning me? Why wasnt there any of that in her? So I was wondering why she did that, was it to prove to me she was more spiritual? Or was having dreams and telling them to me edifying to herself "somehow"? I honestly dont know, it just wasnt for me, how could it be? Why do some people who have dreams do that?

Some folks blow my mind sometimes. If I be the lesser and more carnal of the two how is it I know what the so called more spiritual one shouldnt do (if they so be?). Well, I couldnt bring myself to say that, but I did want to say "know who you are talking to" (o wise one)

(I said that in my head, not out loud) Only God heard me.


Anyway, I recall being really bothered by it and turned to the Lord seeking how I should deal with how uncomfortable I was. And when I found the verse which said, LET him that hath a dream TELL his dream, but let him that hath my word speak it faithfully. And I felt tons better! Man! I was so relieved (thank you LORD!) because I wasnt obligated to figure out if it was a pizza dream, nor was it required of me to believe her (or think she was nuts) and I was off the hook. I could basically say in my head, "yeah yeah" (type thing) I wasnt obligated to someone elses dreams (although being uncomfortably subject to them)

So, I'd just end up calling less.

Or just go

How spiritual am I?

I'm so not (you must pray for me)

God bless you CRF (and forgive me)

 

[C R F]

I think thats how every one of us begins CRF and I am certainly no exception to that rule, and I know (and God knows it better then I) that I dont understand everything (or make claims that I do) I'd be a liar on that point alone.

Experiencially (well for me) it was often those who claimed to know everything that would be trying to take His words from me and give me their own

Well, thats how I percieved it anyways.

I forget who I was telling, whether it was SpiritInTruth or Wheeler? (I forget) but I had a freind who would tell me her every dream, I mean "pink elephants" and the works (all these weird dreams) which were from God (or so she'd claimed). Well, what do I know? I dont dream myself (save if I ate too much pizza before going to bed) but she'd sorta freak me out (I'll admit it) I didnt want to cause waves (hated confrontation) and I'd sorta let someone go on (and endure it) but it was "on and on and on and on" with these dreams. So I had to get on the phone with another freind ( I trusted) to seek counsel on how to graciously bow out of listening to all these dreams (two years worth) I mean what the heck? And this was after I told her I dont dream and I am sorta uncomfortable listening to them (to be truthful).

I mean... I couldnt prove them, so how on earth were they edifying to me? And if she was so spiritual where the heck was her discernment concerning me? Why wasnt there any of that in her? So I was wondering why she did that, was it to prove to me she was more spiritual? Or was having dreams and telling them to me edifying to herself "somehow"? I honestly dont know, it just wasnt for me, how could it be? Why do some people who have dreams do that?

Some folks blow my mind sometimes. If I be the lesser and more carnal of the two how is it I know what the so called more spiritual one shouldnt do (if they so be?). Well, I couldnt bring myself to say that, but I did want to say "know who you are talking to" (o wise one)

(I said that in my head, not out loud) Only God heard me.


Anyway, I recall being really bothered by it and turned to the Lord seeking how I should deal with how uncomfortable I was. And when I found the verse which said, LET him that hath a dream TELL his dream, but let him that hath my word speak it faithfully. And I felt tons better! Man! I was so relieved (thank you LORD!) because I wasnt obligated to figure out if it was a pizza dream, nor was it required of me to believe her (or think she was nuts) and I was off the hook. I could basically say in my head, "yeah yeah" (type thing) I wasnt obligated to someone elses dreams (although being uncomfortably subject to them)

So, I'd just end up calling less.

Or just go

How spiritual am I?

I'm so not (you must pray for me)

God bless you CRF (and forgive me)

Now you brought that up, I have to talk about it. Because of sin the Lord has put the spirit of deep sleep on people and when they awaken they see the teachings were like dreams and they were asleep in the Lord. That is what that scripture was about. As for the dreams people have, not too many have real dreams from the Lord but I have had many and I know a few others too. It is not the dream, it is the interpretation of the dream that is the vision and a vision is a dream come true. I wouldn't worry too much, as I can see , it is plain the Lord has a good grip on you my friend. As for your friend, to much is too much. As for my friend, I understood every one of her dreams and they were from the Lord. I have another friend and he hasn't had dreams or visions as per say but he too is very close to the Lord. These two I speak of are my best friends. Sleep tight fire.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Thanks CRF, I wouldnt know the difference, I'd only have this nagging sense which kept telling me their full of it

(but thats all I had at the time)

That might not qualify for discernment lol

But nah, I havent any interest in dreams, I dont have any (so as to be interested in them to be honest). The only thing I get (and I shared this on GT once or twice) is I see verses running across my mind when I sleep and wake up with a few wows (but I'd forget the wow in the morning)

But at least when I would wake up I'd wake up with this sense of excitement as to what He would quicken to me that day.

Never heard of anyone seeing words going through their mind at night, Hardly qualifies for a dream, but Im sure not complaining. I sorta love it, because when I go to sleep I dont really have to stop studying (they are racing through my head). Sorta like how at the bottom of a television runs those announcements at the bottom of it (but much faster) or sometimes front and center but they "flip over" (sounds weird) but works for me lol
Watch, I probrobly have some kind of brain damage or something

Good night CRF, God bless you

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Everything in this tread just confirms what I have always believed and said. The teachings of the bible with the understanding of this world is in error. The truth is in the spiritual understanding and when the Lord reproves his word all men before that are shown to be liars. People teaching the bible with out the understanding from God are stealing the word of God from their neighbor. The earthly understanding is the wrong Spirit and the advesary of the lord.

Here is a sign in scripture that very few are able to comprehend.

In 2 Samuel 15:16 we see that when David fled, with all his house with him up into the mount, he left his ten concubines behind to keep the house.

2 Samuel 15:16;"And the King went forth, and all his household after him. And the King left ten woman, which were concubines, to keep the house."

The number 10 represents not only a time, but it also represents the number of the Nations.

We see in 2 Samuel 16:22 what happened to the 10 concubines(Nations) after David (Jesus) left.

2 Samuel 16:22;"So they spread Absalom a tent upon the top of the house; and Absalom went in unto his fathers concubines."

This covering of the house is the sign of the covering up of the Truth. And Absalom, the evil son, is the sign of the covering cherub that covers over with the fleshy mind.

This is the same sign of the sons of God (ministering spirits) who left their first estate by going into the daughters of men, as in the beginning. And out of that union came forth those spiritual fleshy minded giants that rule the Nations.

This time of deception has been going on ever since the Light of the Lord left the world, and the prince of the air(fleshy spirit) has ruled it. This time of spiritual darkness, and this time of spiritual sleep has happened to many in the christian faith as well.

But...lets see what happens to the 10 women(Nations) that were defiled by the evil one after David returns.

2 Samuel 20:3;"And David came to his house at Jerusalem; and the King took the ten women his concubines, whom he had left to keep the house, and put them inward, and fed them, but went not in unto them. So they were shut up unto the day of their death, living in widowhood."

Notice David did not cast them away, he fed them, but he did not go in unto them.

This tells me that many of the fleshy christians of the Nations will be forgiven, but they will only be fed with the bread, (or flesh) of the gospel.

When Jesus comes in unto you, then you are fed with the Spirit of the gospel.

This deeper spiritual understanding into the hidden truths of the gospel is that hidden manna, which is only given to the priesthood to eat, not the congregation.

Just as the 144,000 in Revelation 14:4 were not defiled with the doctrine of women(Nations.) but were redeemed from among men.(Israel)

So what I am saying in this, is this; Not all will be given to understand that spiritual doctrine, but will only be given the flesh, or (bread) of it; but yet they will still be allowed to eat at the table of the Lord.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I didnt notice all of that SpiritInTruth but I was catching doctrines of men (daughters of men) strange women (strange doctrines) after another similitude. But that was interesting.

Though, everytime you do that ten concubine thing, why doesnt it take you to the ten virgins? I was always curious of that?

Or is it because he said, AT that TIME, the Kingdom would be likened to ten virgins (5 foolish and five wise) being there "divided"?

Curious

Thanks brother, God bless you

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I didnt notice all of that SpiritInTruth but I was catching doctrines of men (daughters of men) strange women (strange doctrines) after another similitude. But that was interesting.

Though, everytime you do that ten concubine thing, why doesnt it take you to the ten virgins? I was always curious of that?

Or is it because he said, AT that TIME, the Kingdom would be likened to ten virgins (5 foolish and five wise) being there "divided"?

Curious

Thanks brother, God bless you

I'm glad you asked Fire, or is it water? Just kiddin.

The meaning of concubine= a woman with whom a man cohabits without being married.

Compare to Isaiah 54:1;"Sing, O barren, thou that did not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that did not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the Lord."

Who's children have more in number? The married wife(Israel), or the desolate(Nations.)

Revelation 7:9;"After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man can number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands."

Israel was numbered, but not the Nations.

The Lord warned the men of Israel of taking wives to themselves of the nations, because they would corrupt them.

Ezra 10:10;"And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, You have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel."

The Lord told Israel in Joshua 23:13 the nations would be scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes.

Just as Jesus(The Word of God) was handed over by the Jews to the Gentiles, where they would in turn crown him with thorns in his eyes, and pierce him in the side.

This is a sign of the Word of God being defiled by the Nations.

The sign of 10 times is 55.

This can be shown when you make a multiplication chart with 10 lines on the top, and ten lines on the side, and then fill in all the intersecting numbers by multiplication.

Then if you add up the numbers in each line, and divide it by the number of the line it came from, then you will get the sign of time, or 55.

For instance line 1 would be 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10=55 divided by 1=55

Line 2 would be 2+4+6+8+10+12+14+16+18+20= 110 divided by 2=55

Line 10 would be 10+20+30+40+50+60+70+80+90+100=550 divided by 10=55

That is the sign of time for 10 times=55; just as 11 times=66

But this sign of time can also be shown as 5.5 which is the sign of a cut off point in time.

Just as there were 3 men smitten between the 5th and 6th rib in the book of Samuel, or at the cut off point in time of 5.5.

This is the same sign of the 5 wise virgins/and the 5 foolish.

5 were let in the door/ 5 were left out.

The sign of 10 times, and the sign of 5.5 was also shown in the 10 Lords of the Philistines in 1 Samuel 6:4.

When the Ark of God was to be returned to Israel because of the curse, these 10 lords of the Philistines(Nations) offered 5 golden mice/ and 5 golden emerods for a trespass offering. Again we see 5+5=10.

This sign of time is shown over and over in the scriptures, just like the image shown to Nebuchadnezzar that was smitten in the 2 feet(5 toes+5 toes=10) by the Rock.

But here is a secret, the Giant had 6 toes + 6 toes; which is the sign of 66, or 11 times.