if Harry Potter were real he would be going to hell

[God's Word]

Is it safe to assume that all of you posting here against the likes of the Harry Potter books don't read and don't allow their children to read things like the Grimm fairy tales? Also, I assume none of you have ever watched the classic Disney animated movies and prohibit their children from watching them?

I'll gladly and unashamedly answer your question...

YES! In my particular case, this is a safe assumption. You know what, though...

My wife and I have explained the difference between God and Satan/good and evil to our children and we've also explained to them how Satan seeks to indoctrinate them from an early age and they not only understand this, but they willfully and happily turn their eyes and hearts away from "fairy tales" and the such.

Proverbs 22:6

"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it."

Now, I have a question for you...

Did you watch the videos that I posted on this thread which expose some of the inherent dangers in the Harry Potter books?

If not, why not?

There are reasons why people like me and others think/believe the way that we do.

 

[Zecryphon]

I'm not ignoring any facts, let me propose a similar situation and see if it sheds any light into your soul, ....computer graphics have taken great leaps these days and can now produce very detailed human looking computer generated images, how would you feel about computer generated kiddie porn, its not real, no real children are really being molested, its all make believe and purely fictional, do you see any danger in that, I mean really! are you going to tell me now that make believe characters dreamed up on the computer are going to influence anyone, they are basically cartoon characters they're not REAL! according to your logic fakery and fiction can no way shape or form influence anyone whether good or bad......and I beg to differ

You are ignoring this fact and you're also not producing any facts to back up your statements. So now your next brilliant move is to move the goal posts. Can't convince anyone here, who isn't already on your side, that Harry Potter is Satanic, so now you're going to kiddie porn. Unbelievable. There would be a problem with producing those images because it can cause people to act upon their sinful temptations, pedophiles mainly. That danger isn't present in the Harry Potter books because in the books you're not looking at pictures designed to produce a reaction or emotion, you're reading a story about good vs. evil, pretty much. People who are actually involved in witchcraft are not there because they did a spell from a Harry Potter book. You've claimed this has happened, but you have yet to produce any evidence to support this.

You can beg to differ all you want. You really don't want to debate me on anything and I'll tell you why, because all you can do is make one ridiculous claim after another and produce no evidence to support any of your claims. I've produced evidence already in this thread that destroys your statement that occult books are flying off the book shelves. Do you have any evidence that we can examine that proves your claims about Harry Potter to be true? Yes or no? I'm going with no, because if you did have it, we would be able to examine it. All you have is opinion, and a past. I've heard it and now I'm ignoring it. You've got nothing but a bunch of sour grapes over your crappy past and want to take it out on Harry Potter.

Also, if Harry Potter was real, he'd be removed from the Dursley's home and placed in whatever system England has to take care of abused children. The Dursley's would be charged with child abuse and you would do nothing but yell at him about how Satanic he is and how he's going to hell. If Harry Potter were real, your heart should break for him, given your feelings about the occult, and you should want to show him why he needs Jesus Christ as his savior. You should be ashamed that you'd rather say Harry Potter is going to Hell than Harry Potter needs to know about Jesus. You're abandoning an explicit command of Christ given here:

Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

Given your atrocious behavior, I really don't think I'm the one that needs any light shed into my soul, least of all by you.

 

[Timothew]

There are reasons why people like me and others think/believe the way that we do.

 

[Stryder06]

I agree, actual witchcraft is bad. Actual witchcraft is not taking place in Harry Potter. This difference should silence all you Potter haters, but it won't. See you guys think you're doing all this good by "exposing" Harry Potter books as bad and of the devil, but by talking about it constantly and condemning it in multiple threads, you're making more people aware of it and it's your actions that are leading people the very people you're trying to protect to these books. So if the books are of the devil, then you're introducing a bunch of people to what you consider Satanic practices. Well done.

That's like saying "By talking about the Devil and trying to expose his devices, you are leading people to the devil to learn more about him". I'm sorry sir but that doesn't fly with me. And it's not about being a Potter hater. I used to be heavy into anything that had anything to do with Magic. I had to pull away from it though because it's not safe. What's happening on TV is not real but it's also not Christian. Satan works to deceive people by making his most dangerous tools seem to be innocent. You take away the apparent danger from something and it makes it all the more easier to get someone to accept it.

Analyze what magic is and then compare it against what God is. Look at it's traits and what is done to attain such power and then compare that to what a Christian is suppose to be. It's subtle but the demonic traits of Satan are all up and through magic. That's why we're suppose to avoid it.

 

[God's Word]

That danger isn't present in the Harry Potter books because in the books you're not looking at pictures designed to produce a reaction or emotion, you're reading a story about good vs. evil, pretty much.

And THIS is where you're terribly wrong. The Harry Potter books are not stories about "good vs. evil", but rather stories about GOOD WIZARDRY (as if there really is such a thing...THERE ISN'T) vs. BAD WIZARDRY. According to God's Word (not me, but the Bible), ALL WIZARDRY IS BAD AND CONDEMNED.

Also, why do you keep going on about a "lack of proof"? I already provided two videos which pretty thoroughly address/expose the inherent dangers in the Harry Potter books. Did you watch them? If not, then please stop complaining about a "lack of proof". You've already been provided with some. If you don't look at it, then you have no one to blame but yourself.

 

[abysmul]

I'll gladly and unashamedly answer your question...

YES! In my particular case, this is a safe assumption. You know what, though...

My wife and I have explained the difference between God and Satan/good and evil to our children and we've also explained to them how Satan seeks to indoctrinate them from an early age and they not only understand this, but they willfully and happily turn their eyes and hearts away from "fairy tales" and the such.

Proverbs 22:6

"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it."

Now, I have a question for you...

Did you watch the videos that I posted on this thread which expose some of the inherent dangers in the Harry Potter books?

If not, why not?

There are reasons why people like me and others think/believe the way that we do.

That's interesting to know. I've encountered few people who have never read Grimm's fairy tales or have never seen a classic Disney animated film.

Oh, and no, didn't watch them. I read the Bible just about daily, pray far more frequently and welcome the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I've also read the HP books myself so I could make the judgement on them myself (prior to my daughter being allowed to read them). I have no desire to watch the videos, I'd much rather enjoy the dialog of those here in this community. I try to not link the opinions of those that are not mine in these discussion, as I'd rather express my views and also listen in turn to your explanations on a given topic/position.

 

[God's Word]

What about you? Did you watch the videos?

 

[Timothew]

What about you? Did you watch the videos?

videos is sinful.

I've seen similar videos and arguments. It's the Devil's Music thing all over again. Nothing new is ever brought forward. You can make the mad descent into legalism or you can put your faith in Christ for salvation.

Someone's always got something to stand against. I just stand against the wall and watch in amusement.

 

[Zecryphon]

That's like saying "By talking about the Devil and trying to expose his devices, you are leading people to the devil to learn more about him". I'm sorry sir but that doesn't fly with me.

It doesn't fly with you? That's odd because that's the logic you're applying to Harry Potter. You agree that by reading Harry Potter books, people are being drawn to the occult.

And it's not about being a Potter hater. I used to be heavy into anything that had anything to do with Magic. I had to pull away from it though because it's not safe. What's happening on TV is not real but it's also not Christian. Satan works to deceive people by making his most dangerous tools seem to be innocent. You take away the apparent danger from something and it makes it all the more easier to get someone to accept it.

Fine, you can't handle things related to magic. Doesn't mean you have to force your self-imposed ban on anything related to magic upon others and say "well I had a bad experience, therefore YOU need to stay away from this." What exactly on tv is not Christian? There's many things on tv that are Christian. Could you be tad bit more specific? I can't take away any danger and I can't add any danger to anything. I can say what is safe for me because I can look at something, examine it and see it is safe for me or not. I stay away from TBN, because it's not safe for Christians to take in false teaching.

Analyze what magic is and then compare it against what God is. Look at it's traits and what is done to attain such power and then compare that to what a Christian is suppose to be. It's subtle but the demonic traits of Satan are all up and through magic. That's why we're suppose to avoid it.

Christians are to avoid things like Wicca and other occult practices because engaging in these things is a violation of the first commandment. A Christian is someone who through God's grace has been given the gift of faith in Christ for the forgiveness of our sins. I've read the Satanic bible twice. I know a lot more about this than you realize. You can't handle these things, so you stay away from them. I can handle reading about these things, I realize what they are and I know that the devil can't harm me because Christ is my Savior.

 

[Timothew]

What about you? Did you watch the videos?

What about you? Did you read the Potter series, or are you against it without knowing anything about it?

 

[Stryder06]

videos is sinful.

I've seen similar videos and arguments. It's the Devil's Music thing all over again. Nothing new is ever brought forward. You can make the mad descent into legalism or you can put your faith in Christ for salvation.

Someone's always got something to stand against. I just stand against the wall and watch in amusement.

Just out of curiosity, how does saying that magic is evil lead one into a descent into legalism?

 

[Zecryphon]

And THIS is where you're terribly wrong. The Harry Potter books are not stories about "good vs. evil", but rather stories about GOOD WIZARDRY (as if there really is such a thing...THERE ISN'T) vs. BAD WIZARDRY. According to God's Word (not me, but the Bible), ALL WIZARDRY IS BAD AND CONDEMNED.

Also, why do you keep going on about a "lack of proof"? I already provided two videos which pretty thoroughly address/expose the inherent dangers in the Harry Potter books. Did you watch them? If not, then please stop complaining about a "lack of proof". You've already been provided with some. If you don't look at it, then you have no one to blame but yourself.

It is about good vs evil, but because of your past, anything that has anything to do with wizardry is bad. Your projecting bad past experiences onto something that is not in and of itself bad. You saying the Harry Potter books are bad, doesn't make them so. The demands for proof are directed at the OP, not you. What videos are you talking about? The only ones I see in this thread address dragons and evolution. Is there something about Harry Potter in there? If so, which video is it you'd like me to watch? Cuz I don't have the kind of time to sit around and watch 10 videos.

I found the videos you're talking about and am 22 minutes into the first one and in all that time the pastor has not identified one problem with the books. How much of these videos does one have to watch before this guy gets around to the problems with the books. He's plugged the book he's written about the evils of Harry Potter a few times now. Thin book. Can't be that many problems with Harry Potter if that little book is all he could produce from 7 books that ranged anywhere from 300 pages to I believe 1,000 pages or more. One thing he did say which is quite laughable is that "the Harry Potter books blur the lines between fantasy and reality because in the books real places are named." Sorry, but naming real places in works of fiction does not blur the line between fantasy and reality. If this is what I can expect to see for the next hour and a half, then these videos will be a giant waste of time.

 

[Stryder06]

It doesn't fly with you? That's odd because that's the logic you're applying to Harry Potter. You agree that by reading Harry Potter books, people are being drawn to the occult.

Not necessarily, and that's not the logical point I was taking. I was just saying that the issue is more of the principle then the fact that what they're doing on the big screen is fake.

Fine, you can't handle things related to magic. Doesn't mean you have to force your self-imposed ban on anything related to magic upon others and say "well I had a bad experience, therefore YOU need to stay away from this." What exactly on tv is not Christian? There's many things on tv that are Christian. Could you be tad bit more specific? I can't take away any danger and I can't add any danger to anything. I can say what is safe for me because I can look at something, examine it and see it is safe for me or not. I stay away from TBN, because it's not safe for Christians to take in false teaching.

This statement confuses me. You say you can determine what's safe for you and that Christians should stay away from false teachings. Wouldn't you agree that false teachings are then bad for all Christians? Would you tell a Christian friend of yours to watch TBN since you think they teach erroneous doctrine?

Christians are to avoid things like Wicca and other occult practices because engaging in these things is a violation of the first commandment. A Christian is someone who through God's grace has been given the gift of faith in Christ for the forgiveness of our sins. I've read the Satanic bible twice. I know a lot more about this than you realize. You can't handle these things, so you stay away from them. I can handle reading about these things, I realize what they are and I know that the devil can't harm me because Christ is my Savior.

You are so wrong. I don't know why you found it necessary to read the Satanic bible twice, but if you think this has something to do with "being able to handle" it, then you're missing the big picture. I don't assume to know how much you know about any of this. The fact is that witchcraft is wrong. God didn't made a blanket statement. I stay away from magic now, not because I can't handle it, but because I know that God doesn't want us playing around with it. It's really that simple.

I won't say this as fact, but I would wager that every person who has every been possessed or tormented by a demon started out looking into things they didn't need to be messing with, thinking to themselves "I can handle it". Don't assume that your faith will save you when you walk contrary to what God told you to do. That's presumption. God takes no pleasure in that.

 

[Rhamiel]

Ooooo I can't wait for Halloween it is my favorite holiday Gonna have my special avatar up then

lol i will wait with baited breath

 

[Zecryphon]

Originally Posted by Zecryphon

It doesn't fly with you? That's odd because that's the logic you're applying to Harry Potter. You agree that by reading Harry Potter books, people are being drawn to the occult.
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Not necessarily, and that's not the logical point I was taking. I was just saying that the issue is more of the principle then the fact that what they're doing on the big screen is fake.

And that principle is what? That witchcraft is bad and condemned in the Bible? Who here has disagreed with that?

Fine, you can't handle things related to magic. Doesn't mean you have to force your self-imposed ban on anything related to magic upon others and say "well I had a bad experience, therefore YOU need to stay away from this." What exactly on tv is not Christian? There's many things on tv that are Christian. Could you be tad bit more specific? I can't take away any danger and I can't add any danger to anything. I can say what is safe for me because I can look at something, examine it and see it is safe for me or not. I stay away from TBN, because it's not safe for Christians to take in false teaching.
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This statement confuses me. You say you can determine what's safe for you and that Christians should stay away from false teachings. Wouldn't you agree that false teachings are then bad for all Christians? Would you tell a Christian friend of yours to watch TBN since you think they teach erroneous doctrine?

No, I said I stay away from false teachings. Christians have to decide for themselves what is and is not a false teaching. I would only recommend they watch TBN to become informed as to what it is TBN teaches, but even that's hard to nail down because of the wide variety of programming shown on that channel. You can't pin a denominational label on TBN, which is actually a very wise marketing move. They have something for everyone on TBN, this allows for a wide viewership.

Christians are to avoid things like Wicca and other occult practices because engaging in these things is a violation of the first commandment. A Christian is someone who through God's grace has been given the gift of faith in Christ for the forgiveness of our sins. I've read the Satanic bible twice. I know a lot more about this than you realize. You can't handle these things, so you stay away from them. I can handle reading about these things, I realize what they are and I know that the devil can't harm me because Christ is my Savior.
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You are so wrong. I don't know why you found it necessary to read the Satanic bible twice, but if you think this has something to do with "being able to handle" it, then you're missing the big picture. I don't assume to know how much you know about any of this. The fact is that witchcraft is wrong. God didn't made a blanket statement. I stay away from magic now, not because I can't handle it, but because I know that God doesn't want us playing around with it. It's really that simple.

Prove I'm wrong, instead of just saying it. All I hear from you is "You're so wrong," yet you never prove how I am. No, you don't know why I found it necessary to read the Satanic bible twice and I'm not going to tell you either. Yes God does not want us practicing witchcraft. Reading a Harry Potter book is not practicing witchcraft. You're mis-applying a Biblical principle. No one is practicing magic by reading a Harry Potter book or watching a Harry Potter movie.

I won't say this as fact, but I would wager that every person who has every been possessed or tormented by a demon started out looking into things they didn't need to be messing with, thinking to themselves "I can handle it". Don't assume that your faith will save you when you walk contrary to what God told you to do. That's presumption. God takes no pleasure in that.

When I read the Satanic bible, I wasn't a Christian so I wasn't counting on any faith to save me or protect me. I was reading a book.

 

[Bubblies]

If the Harry Potter 'magic' wasn't called 'magic' would it be better? Coz that's the only thing that makes it similar to real 'magic'; the word 'magic'. I have a friend who thinks David Copperfield-type "magicians" are evil just coz of the word 'magic', so I think 'illusionists' works better, because everyone knows it's not real magic. So, because English is such a silly language, that uses words over and over. Harry Potter is no longer a wizard, he's a lion. Oops that's been taken.

Just because the words 'magic', 'witches' etc. are used, doesn't mean it's ANYTHING like real magic, past or present. People have said it over and over.

Personally, I'm not a Lord of the Rings fan, but I know lots of Christians are. Gandalf is like Dumbledore's wizard cousin right?

Harry Potter, like LOTR, Narnia, and Star Wars, is just a fictional universe, with lessons of good triumphing evil and love being the greatest. There is nothing bad about that.

And can I just add, when Christians make a fuss about things, it just makes them more popular. Honestly, Christians making a big hoo-ha about Harry Potter is what got me reading them in the first place. I had to see what was so evil about them before I passed my own judgement. Loved 'em. Same goes for the DaVinci Code, and now it's one of my favourite books (although I CAN see why Christians/Catholics don't like it. I offended me in parts).

All the good morals and values in Harry Potter outweigh any potential evils of magic. Friendship, love, and stuff, (there's not even any pre-marital sex, and this is a series of books about teenagers at a private school!). The fact that they're magical, is the same as someone being left handed (ok, that's simplifying it too much lol). It's something you're born with, not a religion thing. The fact that religion isn't mentioned is a good thing in my opinion; makes it more of a fantasy, and it's not pro or anti any religion.

Even though I love Star Wars more that Harry Potter, if I had to go all theological on it, I'd say Star Wars is worse. More religion-y.

 

[God's Word]

It is about good vs evil, but because of your past, anything that has anything to do with wizardry is bad.

First of all, THE BIBLE condemns wizardry of any sort. IOW, there is no such thing as "good wizardry". If you don't like this fact, then that is your problem and not mine.

Leviticus 19:31

"Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God."

Leviticus 20:6

"And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a-whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people."

Leviticus 20:27

"A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them."

Deuteronomy 18:9-12

"When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee."

I Samuel 28:3, 9

"Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had lamented him, and buried him in Ramah, even in his own city. And Saul had put away those that had familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land...And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?"

II Kings 21:6 (see also II Chronicles 33:6)

"And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger."

II Kings 23:24-25

"Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the LORD. And like unto him was there no king before him, that turned to the LORD with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his might, according to all the law of Moses; neither after him arose there any like him."

Isaiah 8:19

"And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?"

Isaiah 19:3-4

"And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards. And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the LORD, the LORD of hosts."

As far as I know, this is an exhaustive list of all the times that wizards are mentioned in the Bible. What have we learned?

1. That we're not to seek after wizards because they defile.

2. That God will set His face against those who seek after wizards and cut them off from among His people.

3. That wizards were stoned to death.

4. That we're not to learn the ABOMINATIONS of the wizards for which God was driving them out of the land.

5. That wizards were put out of the land.

6. That those who seek wizards do much wickedness in the sight of the LORD and provoke Him to anger.

7. That the one who seeks the LORD with all of his heart, soul and might puts away wizards from the land.

8. That people shouldn't seek wizards, but that they should seek their God.

9. That when God destroys the counsel of a nation, they seek wizards.

Okay...your turn. Show me some of this "good wizardry" that I keep on hearing about. Come on. Folks like you insist that Harry Potter is a "good wizard" who's fighting the battle of "good vs. evil". Show me where God calls any sort of wizardry "good". I won't be holding my breath.

Secondly, although "my past", or my own experiences with demons and those who have actually been involved in witchcraft, is a factor here, "my past" is also a genuine reflection of what PRESENTLY EXISTS in this world. IOW, there are still demons in this world and there are still practioners of magic, so what's your point...other than to possibly deflect the true nature of the argument from God's Word (The Bible) to God's Word (me)?

 

[Zecryphon]

First of all, THE BIBLE condemns wizardry of any sort. IOW, there is no such thing as "good wizardry". If you don't like this fact, then that is your problem and not mine.

I never said there was such a thing as good wizardry. I said the Harry Potter books were about good vs. evil. You wrote on page 13, post # 128:

The Harry Potter books are not stories about "good vs. evil", but rather stories about GOOD WIZARDRY (as if there really is such a thing...THERE ISN'T) vs. BAD WIZARDRY.

You're projecting your own statement onto me and asking me to provide evidence of good wizardry. LOL There is more going on in the books than wizards and witches casting spells. I don't have a problem, I've read the books, seen the movies and have moved on. You haven't moved on. Sounds to me like you're the one with issues here. Also you should really change your SN, since you're not God's Word.

Leviticus 19:31

"Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God."

Leviticus 20:6

"And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a-whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people."

Leviticus 20:27

"A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them."

Deuteronomy 18:9-12

"When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee."

I Samuel 28:3, 9

"Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had lamented him, and buried him in Ramah, even in his own city. And Saul had put away those that had familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land...And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?"

II Kings 21:6 (see also II Chronicles 33:6)

"And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger."

II Kings 23:24-25

"Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the LORD. And like unto him was there no king before him, that turned to the LORD with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his might, according to all the law of Moses; neither after him arose there any like him."

Isaiah 8:19

"And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?"

Isaiah 19:3-4

"And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards. And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the LORD, the LORD of hosts."

As far as I know, this is an exhaustive list of all the times that wizards are mentioned in the Bible. What have we learned?

1. That we're not to seek after wizards because they defile.

2. That God will set His face against those who seek after wizards and cut them off from among His people.

3. That wizards were stoned to death.

4. That we're not to learn the ABOMINATIONS of the wizards for which God was driving them out of the land.

5. That wizards were put out of the land.

6. That those who seek wizards do much wickedness in the sight of the LORD and provoke Him to anger.

7. That the one who seeks the LORD with all of his heart, soul and might puts away wizards from the land.

8. That people shouldn't seek wizards, but that they should seek their God.

9. That when God destroys the counsel of a nation, they seek wizards.

Okay...your turn. Show me some of this "good wizardry" that I keep on hearing about. Come on. Folks like you insist that Harry Potter is a "good wizard" who's fighting the battle of "good vs. evil". Show me where God calls any sort of wizardry "good". I won't be holding my breath.

Secondly, although "my past", or my own experiences with demons and those who have actually been involved in witchcraft, is a factor here, "my past" is also a genuine reflection of what PRESENTLY EXISTS in this world. IOW, there are still demons in this world and there are still practioners of magic, so what's your point...other than to possibly deflect the true nature of the argument from God's Word (The Bible) to God's Word (me)?

How can I show you examples of something I've never said? Folks like me insist? Fine, go talk to them. I never said what you think I did, so you're mistaken. I didn't say God called any form of wizardry good. Why don't you address what I've actually written instead of what you mistakenly think I've written? Yeah there are still demons, so what? My point is that reading a Harry Potter book or seeing a Harry Potter movie does not equal what the Scriptures you've quoted here are forbidding. That's my point. Did you get it that time or do you need it explained to you a different way?

 

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Question:
If you "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it."

Did God train up Adam & Eve in the way they should go?

 

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Show me where God calls any sort of wizardry "good". I won't be holding my breath.

Well first off, when delving into the Bible, we have to look at context. Are the wizards in the Bible the same as the fictional wizards who attend Hogwarts?

Did the Bible wizards have wands? Honestly, I don't know, but I'll assume not, until you can show me otherwise.

Did the Bible wizards ride brooms? Again, I don't think so, but feel free to prove me wrong.

Do the Harry Potter wizards worship anything? Not as a collective whole. I would assume some are Christian, others may be Hindu, and some could be Buddhist. Their magic is not their religion. There are, however, Voldemort's followers who worship him, but they are the evil ones.

Were the Bible wizards squibs? I don't think that's relevant.

I'm struggling to see any similarity between the Bible wizards, and the Harry Potter wizards. Except maybe Voldemort, but as previously mentioned, he's evil. The only similarity is the word 'wizard.' If Harry Potter had been written in the same language(s) as the Bible, perhaps they would have different names?