Let there be light: Snowball Earth

[Jazer]

Science believes that at one time planet earth was a snowball. In the Bible we are told on the first day God moved on the face of the waters and He said: "Let there be light". (day one) We know that photosynthesis converts carbon dioxide into oxygen. (day two) This would create global warming and the ice would begin to melt. God said: "Let dry land appear". (day three). This must mean that Genesis has two meanings. One meaning represents the last 12,982 years. The end of the last Ice Age. But clearly Genesis does talk about an "old earth" and the beginning of life here on earth. Some people want to accept one or the other interpretation. But they are both just as true. One is not any more right or wrong then the other. Of course the last ice age did not cover the whole earth.

 

[Tenka]

The concept fits like your auntie in your nephew's clothing.

 

[AV1611VET]

Science believes that at one time planet earth was a snowball.

Science can keep their clipboards out of the Creation Week.

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[AV1611VET]

The concept fits like your auntie in your nephew's clothing.

Meaning you don't understand what he said?

 

[juvenissun]

Science believes that at one time planet earth was a snowball. In the Bible we are told on the first day God moved on the face of the waters and He said: "Let there be light". (day one) We know that photosynthesis converts carbon dioxide into oxygen. (day two) This would create global warming and the ice would begin to melt. God said: "Let dry land appear". (day three). This must mean that Genesis has two meanings. One meaning represents the last 12,982 years. The end of the last Ice Age. But clearly Genesis does talk about an "old earth" and the beginning of life here on earth. Some people want to accept one or the other interpretation. But they are both just as true. One is not any more right or wrong then the other. Of course the last ice age did not cover the whole earth.

The snowball idea is solely coming from the discovery of glacial sediments in tropical sea (offshore Africa?). And it is not related to the recent (Pleistocene) ice age. Personally, I don't believe it happened (without having much study on it), because I think there are better models to explain the data.

 

[Blayz]

Science believes that at one time planet earth was a snowball. In the Bible we are told on the first day God moved on the face of the waters and He said: "Let there be light". (day one) We know that photosynthesis converts carbon dioxide into oxygen. (day two) This would create global warming and the ice would begin to melt. God said: "Let dry land appear". (day three). This must mean that Genesis has two meanings. One meaning represents the last 12,982 years. The end of the last Ice Age. But clearly Genesis does talk about an "old earth" and the beginning of life here on earth. Some people want to accept one or the other interpretation. But they are both just as true. One is not any more right or wrong then the other. Of course the last ice age did not cover the whole earth.

1. converting CO2 to O2 causes cooling, not warming.
2. It is the presence of dry land, especially equatorially, which causes global cooling because land reflects energy better than water. In other words, land came before the ice

In summary, it would be harder for anything to be more wrong than your interpretation. It is much, much, much wronger than the reali of what happened

 

[Hespera]

The snowball idea is solely coming from the discovery of glacial sediments in tropical sea (offshore Africa?). And it is not related to the recent (Pleistocene) ice age. Personally, I don't believe it happened (without having much study on it), because I think there are better models to explain the data.

for once i more or less agree but what better model do you mean?
(for "iceball earth" not how to force-fit some theory to genesis)

 

[Cabal]

Science believes that at one time planet earth was a snowball. In the Bible we are told on the first day God moved on the face of the waters and He said: "Let there be light". (day one) We know that photosynthesis converts carbon dioxide into oxygen. (day two) This would create global warming and the ice would begin to melt.

Yeah, photosynthesis occurred, even though that there were no plants created yet.

Makes perfect sense!

 

[Split Rock]

The snowball idea is solely coming from the discovery of glacial sediments in tropical sea (offshore Africa?). And it is not related to the recent (Pleistocene) ice age. Personally, I don't believe it happened (without having much study on it), because I think there are better models to explain the data.

Snowball earth is a controversial theory. The main problem is getting back out of it would be very difficult.

 

[Split Rock]

Science can keep their clipboards out of the Creation Week.

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I agree with AVET on this. There is little point to trying to sandwich GEN 1 and 2 into any real history of the earth. Its not supposed to be a literal history in the first place.

 

[Split Rock]

Science believes that at one time planet earth was a snowball. In the Bible we are told on the first day God moved on the face of the waters and He said: "Let there be light". (day one) We know that photosynthesis converts carbon dioxide into oxygen. (day two) This would create global warming and the ice would begin to melt. God said: "Let dry land appear". (day three).

Yeah, photosynthesis occurred, even though that there were no plants created yet.

Makes perfect sense!

Also, there was no light, and there is no way that any organisms would grow if the planet were covered in ice.

 

[Jazer]

(for "iceball earth" not how to force-fit some theory to genesis)

I am not trying to force fit anything. I am just showing that there is no contradiction. There are people on this board that have not come to the realization that science does not falsify the Bible in any way.

 

[Jazer]

Also, there was no light, and there is no way that any organisms would grow if the planet were covered in ice.

Of course this is science that we are talking about. Science believes that photosynthisis began with bacteria in the ocean. The Bible can help you to understand your science. Without the Bible some of the theory of evoluton can be difficult to understand. Recently there was a study that was able to show that photosynthisis can take place even through the ice.

 

[Jazer]

1. converting CO2 to O2 causes cooling, not warming.

Whatever science can figure out. We know the Ice melted. In fact I live in an area that was covered with Ice 12,000 years ago. So I know for sure that the ice did melt and it's not here anymore. If you would like to argue that the ice is still here and that it did not melt, then you will need to present some evidence for that.

 

[Hespera]

I am not trying to force fit anything. I am just showing that there is no contradiction. There are people on this board that have not come to the realization that science does not falsify the Bible in any way.

No contradiction that you are willing to understand or accept.

Nobody says science 'falsifies the bible".

it does of course, falsify a lot of the specific things that it says.

 

[Hespera]

Whatever science can figure out. We know the Ice melted. In fact I live in an area that was covered with Ice 12,000 years ago. So I know for sure that the ice did melt and it's not here anymore. If you would like to argue that the ice is still here and that it did not melt, then you will need to present some evidence for that.

some of the ice from the most recent glacial advance has melted, but we are most likely in yet another interglacial period. Another glacial advance is probably 10 to 15 thousand years in the future.

Elsewhere there is ice over a hundred thousand years old and nowhere near melting.

 

[Hespera]

Of course this is science that we are talking about. Science believes that photosynthisis began with bacteria in the ocean. The Bible can help you to understand your science. Without the Bible some of the theory of evoluton can be difficult to understand. Recently there was a study that was able to show that photosynthisis can take place even through the ice.

There is nothing new about photosynthesis taking place under the ice, since it is common for floating ice to overturn, and people have been observing green algae on the ice ever since people first saw sea ice.

i dont know how thick a layer of ice could be penetrated by enough light to support photosynthesis.

BTW, i understand the ToE far better than you evidently do and the bible is no help at all.

 

[Cabal]

Of course this is science that we are talking about. Science believes that photosynthisis began with bacteria in the ocean. The Bible can help you to understand your science. Without the Bible some of the theory of evoluton can be difficult to understand. Recently there was a study that was able to show that photosynthisis can take place even through the ice.

Yes, photosynthesis can occur in life other than plants. However, you are having photosynthesis (somehow) induce global warming during day two, photosynthesising life was not created until day three.

Whatever science can figure out. We know the Ice melted. In fact I live in an area that was covered with Ice 12,000 years ago. So I know for sure that the ice did melt and it's not here anymore. If you would like to argue that the ice is still here and that it did not melt, then you will need to present some evidence for that.

Wrong way to respond to a criticism. You respond by accepting that your claim was wrong and modifying it, not belligerently turning the burden of proof back on someone else.

 

[Jazer]

Wrong way to respond to a criticism.

I could say the same thing. Wrong way to respond to a question. You expect me to answer constant questions. But you do not want to answer even one simple little question.

WE ALL KNOW that 12,000 years ago the ice melted. Now I ask you or anyone that claims to know science. WHY DID THE ICE MELT? The Bible says the ice melted, science tells us the ice melted. You know, I know, everyone knows the ice melted.

NO ONE SEEMS TO KNOW WHY THE ICE MELTED??? This is not much of a science board if no one can answer a simple question.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. [/FONT]

 

[Jazer]

green algae on the ice

We grew up with a swimming pool and we have a little pond in our back yard now. I know about algae, it is difficult to keep it from growing. It is a-sexual, unless you can get it to die or freeze, then it will become sexual recombine and come back again.

Elsewhere there is ice over a hundred thousand years old and nowhere near melting.

If it melted Shanghi, NY, Miami, London, San Fransico Bay area, New Orleans (just to name a few) would be under water. Actually Shanghi is sinking so they are in trouble anyways. London already has problems with storm surges. In some cities like Vienna they have to watch their high tide charts because there will be flooding in low areas when the tide is at it's highest.