Contraception

[sunlover1]

I'm saying that having sex during the infertile period is not contracepted sex. nor is avoiding sex during the fertile period.

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Then we disagree.
But neither of us will become pregnant, will we?

 

[patricius79]

Ori

ginally Posted by patricius79

I'm saying that having sex during the infertile period is not contracepted sex. nor is avoiding sex during the fertile period.

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Then we disagree.
But neither of us will become pregnant, will we?

I don't see how avoiding sex during the fertile period be contracepted sex. it's not sex at all.

 

[MamaZ]

Ori

I don't see how avoiding sex during the fertile period be contracepted sex. it's not sex at all.

It is no sex at all so one will not fertilize the egg. So pregnancy does not occur. So one does not conceive. No babies. But yet they will have the sex act when the woman is not fertile. Still preventing conception. Man made way of finding a way to not have babies.

 

[cubinity]

Ori

I don't see how avoiding sex during the fertile period be contracepted sex. it's not sex at all.

Contraceptive Abstinence. It's a sin!!!!!

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

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It's been suggested that evidently, the RCC honestly thinks that having MORE sex than otherwise but purposely using a method to do so in ways that are contraceptive actually INCREASES the odds of conceiving. Frankly, I don't "buy" it, I don't think the RCC believes such is PRO-ceptive rather than CONTRA-ceptive. I believe the RCC knows that sex is more likely to result in conception during fertile times than during infertile times and so when it teaches you how to HAVE sex during infertile times, it KNOWS this is contraceptive, done to "render contraception unlikely" (what it says is "evil.").





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[patricius79]

It is no sex at all so one will not fertilize the egg. So pregnancy does not occur. So one does not conceive. No babies. But yet they will have the sex act when the woman is not fertile. Still preventing conception. Man made way of finding a way to not have babies.

I agree. and it is not contracepted sex

 

[sunlover1]

Contraceptive Abstinence. It's a sin!!!!!

Abstinence practiced toward a goal of contra conception.

contra mid-14c., from L. contra (prep. and adv.) "against," originally "in comparison with," conception early 14c., "act of conceiving,"
I didn't say it was a sin though.
Just said it had the same outcome as a condom.

 

[cubinity]

Abstinence practiced toward a goal of contra conception.

contra mid-14c., from L. contra (prep. and adv.) "against," originally "in comparison with," conception early 14c., "act of conceiving,"
I didn't say it was a sin though.
Just said it had the same outcome as a condom.

I also don't think it's a sin. I was being facetious.
However, I have to disagree with your last comment.
Having sex, with or without a condom, and not having sex, do have substantially different outcomes.

 

[sunlover1]

I also don't think it's a sin. I was being facetious.
However, I have to disagree with your last comment.
Having sex, with or without a condom, and not having sex, do have substantially different outcomes.

Having sex 'with' a condom and not having sex both result in no babe..
is what i meant by outcome.
(hopefully, other than that, there will be some other outcomes)

 

[patricius79]

Contraceptive Abstinence. It's a sin!!!!!

I agree that any contraceptive attitude is sinful, even if one is not having contracepted sex

I think that is the teaching of the Christian Church

 

[patricius79]

Having sex 'with' a condom and not having sex both result in no babe..
is what i meant by outcome.
(hopefully, other than that, there will be some other outcomes)

we don't want to be getting into consequentialism

the idea that if contracepted sex is wrong then avoiding pregnancy is wrong doesn't follow

 

[cubinity]

I agree that any contraceptive attitude is sinful, even if one is not having contracepted sex

I think that is the teaching of the Christian Church

Not wanting babies derived in part by your chromosomes is sin?
I mean, intentionally abstaining from sex in order to not reproduce is a sin?
Really?
How do you get there from anything the Bible teaches.
I'd be interested in how you connect them dots!

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

the idea that if contracepted sex is wrong then avoiding pregnancy is wrong doesn't follow

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[cubinity]

Careful, Josiah.
If you are slapping your forehead without the intention of making babies, you may be in sin.

 

[ivebeenshown]

It's been suggested that evidently, the RCC honestly thinks that having MORE sex than otherwise but purposely using a method to do so in ways that are contraceptive actually INCREASES the odds of conceiving. Frankly, I don't "buy" it, I don't think the RCC believes such is PRO-ceptive rather than CONTRA-ceptive. I believe the RCC knows that sex is more likely to result in conception during fertile times than during infertile times and so when it teaches you how to HAVE sex during infertile times, it KNOWS this is contraceptive, done to "render contraception unlikely" (what it says is "evil.").

Birth control is not the same thing as contraception.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Careful, Josiah.
If you are slapping your forehead without the intention of making babies, you may be in sin.

Some conversations are beyond absurd....

But there's NOTHING I could say that could make the point more OBVIOUSLY than the Catholics have been doing from day one in this thread. That they don't read their own posts is.....




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[cubinity]

Birth control is not the same thing as contraception.

And yet a synonym for birth control is a contraceptive.
Furthermore, contraception is the control of pregnancy: the very intended function described by the term, "birth control."
So, how do you figure one is not the other?

 

[ivebeenshown]

1. In my opinion, you obviously have not read anything I've posted. I've not only NEVER said I regard ANY method of contraceptive sex to be wrong, but I've repeatedly stated that I do NOT regard the RCC's method to be wrong.

2. In my opinion, shifting the discussion from the topic to condemnation of posters is simply an attempt to evade points made.

Your presence in this thread consists of claiming that the Catholic Church condemns contraception but approves of contraception and is therefore hypocritical.

And no matter how many times I quote Pope Paul (the very source of the Catechism paragraphs) and the Catechism, and how it makes a distinction between periodic continence and contraception as different forms of birth control, you keep inserting your own definition of contraception where 'contraception' is 'birth control' as a whole rather than just one kind of birth control. For the love of whatever, even Wikipedia lists 'contraception' and 'sterilization' as their own categories in the 'birth control' article.

So I am accusing YOU of evading the points made.

And yet a synonym for birth control is a contraceptive.
Furthermore, contraception is the control of pregnancy: the very intended function described by the term, "birth control."
So, how do you figure one is not the other?

Contraception is ONE KIND of birth control. In the Catechism, 'birth control' includes every means of birth control, and it lists 'sterilization' and 'contraception', as well as 'periodic continence.'

 

[ivebeenshown]

From Wikipedia:

Birth control is an umbrella term for several techniques and methods used to prevent fertilization or to interrupt pregnancy at various stages. Birth control techniques and methods include contraception (the prevention of fertilization), contragestion (preventing the implantation of the blastocyst) and abortion (the removal or expulsion of a fetus or embryo from the uterus). Contraception includes barrier methods, such as condoms or diaphragm, hormonal contraception, also known as oral contraception, and injectable contraceptives.[1] Contragestives, also known as post-coital birth control, include intrauterine devices and what is known as the morning after pill.

 

[cubinity]

From Wikipedia:

Birth control is an umbrella term for several techniques and methods used to prevent fertilization or to interrupt pregnancy at various stages. Birth control techniques and methods include contraception (the prevention of fertilization), contragestion (preventing the implantation of the blastocyst) and abortion (the removal or expulsion of a fetus or embryo from the uterus). Contraception includes barrier methods, such as condoms or diaphragm, hormonal contraception, also known as oral contraception, and injectable contraceptives.[1] Contragestives, also known as post-coital birth control, include intrauterine devices and what is known as the morning after pill.

I've noticed "pulling out," as Onan did, is not listed by the ever-credible Wikipedia.
Since there is no barrier method, such as condom or diaphram, hormonal contraception, or injectable contraceptive mentioned in the Bible, I am curious how you intend to maintain your assertion that this Wikipedia definition of contraception and Pope Paul's Biblical motive are in line with one another.
In other words, this Wikipedia article shows that what Onan did is not considered contraception. So, if what Onan did was not contraception, what Biblical basis did Pope Paul have?