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I hope everyone can participate from Catholics, Orthodox, Protestant, and Evangelical. I have had a question for a long time as I explore different aspects of Christianity. Are our sins just covered or is there something more?


I was listening to a sermon and the preacher said that our sins as Christians are covered just like a book the covers get changed so that all that is seen is Christ righteousness. This sounds nice but in the pages is still the filth of sins; under the covering we are just as dirty as always. So to re ask my question to all fellow Christians here:


Are our sins just covered or is there something more?​

No, not just the cover changes the inside changes too.

We died with him, and raised with him.

It is not are life we live but his (Christ).

Peace.
 
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You didn't ask about Reformed, but I'll answer anyway.

The answer is "both".

I wouldn't use the word covered, so much as forgiven. Calvin said that through a mystical union with Christ, we have a "fellowship of righteousness." This plays much the same role as theosis for Orthodox. The fellowship of righteousness has also been referred to as exchange. Through it, Christ takes on our sins. He suffers for them on the cross, and is victorious over them in the resurrection. With his resurrection he wipes out their ability to separate us from God. Also through this fellowship, we experience his obedience and his victory.

So there are two implications of the union with Christ. First, God forgives our sins. I wouldn't say it's as if they had never existed, since God still has to help us overcome them. But they no longer form a barrier between us and God, partly because they are forgiven, and partly because Christ has joined us on our side of the barrier, by uniting himself with sinners.

Second, the union with Christ forms the basis through which God regenerates us.

In Reformed thought, God doesn't stop with forgiveness, nor should we want him to. His commitment to us includes making us whole again, and this is something any Christian would want. During this life we are simultaneously justified and a sinner. But we're on a path to healing.

Luther had a delight in extreme images. He originated the image of the snow-covered dungheap. That could leave the impression that God leaves us in our sin, and just sticks a white tarp over us. But that's not the only thing he about this topic. He noted that we are like a patient who has put himself in the hands of a competent doctor. While he's still sick, he's started to envision himself as getting well, and in some contexts can be regarded as well. We're justified, i.e. in good standing before God, because we've put ourselves in his hands. He sees his own image, in the form of Christ, in us, even if not perfectly, at least he knows that's where we're going. Even when we fall back. (Unlike Catholics, we don't think serious sin normally removes our status as one of God's people.) As long as we remain his, it's more like a setback during treatment of an illness. We may temporarily need discipline, but we're still his children.
 
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Originally Posted by Deut 5:29 God says He will remove our sins from us as far as east is from the west.
He also says He will forget our sins and remember them no more.

there goes you whole law theory...

Rom 3:20 For by works of the law no human being [3] will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

No, there goes your whole law theory.
If there was no law there would be no need for forgiveness.
And even you need forgiveness because you have broken God's Law.
 
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Blind post.

I hope everyone can participate from Catholics, Orthodox, Protestant, and Evangelical. I have had a question for a long time as I explore different aspects of Christianity. Are our sins just covered or is there something more?


I was listening to a sermon and the preacher said that our sins as Christians are covered just like a book the covers get changed so that all that is seen is Christ righteousness. This sounds nice but in the pages is still the filth of sins; under the covering we are just as dirty as always. So to re ask my question to all fellow Christians here:


Are our sins just covered or is there something more?​
There is forgiveness and their is remission of sins.

Let us say that all of our sins are written in a book. Forgiveness is going to April 1, 2005 and putting a line through the part about the insults I gave my older brother on his birthday (don't worry; we get along now :)). Remission is ripping out the entire page and discarding it.
 
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Ouch. This is why "Saint Constantine" waited as long as possible to get Baptized, as was a custom of the time. That is bad theology.

terrible legalism. I hope in the end he had faith instead of doubt.

but if people do not want to distort my words, then they will see that I was talking about the inside being cleansed.
 
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I hope everyone can participate from Catholics, Orthodox, Protestant, and Evangelical. I have had a question for a long time as I explore different aspects of Christianity. Are our sins just covered or is there something more?


I was listening to a sermon and the preacher said that our sins as Christians are covered just like a book the covers get changed so that all that is seen is Christ righteousness. This sounds nice but in the pages is still the filth of sins; under the covering we are just as dirty as always. So to re ask my question to all fellow Christians here:


Are our sins just covered or is there something more?​
People shouldn't get over confidant and think that all one has to do is believe that Jesus is their savior.

Faith is far more than that. We need to be fruitful and that fruit needs to multiply.
 
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Just snipping out some juicy morsels:

Christ takes on our sins. He suffers for them on the cross, and is victorious over them in the resurrection. With his resurrection he wipes out their ability to separate us from God.

they no longer form a barrier between us and God, partly because they are forgiven, and partly because Christ has joined us on our side of the barrier, by uniting himself with sinners.

Second, the union with Christ forms the basis through which God regenerates us.

That's the Gospel. No matter how you slice it, this is what unites all believers. And we will be spending eternity basking in this Glory, that even angels can't fathom ...
 
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I hope everyone can participate from Catholics, Orthodox, Protestant, and Evangelical. I have had a question for a long time as I explore different aspects of Christianity. Are our sins just covered or is there something more?


I was listening to a sermon and the preacher said that our sins as Christians are covered just like a book the covers get changed so that all that is seen is Christ righteousness. This sounds nice but in the pages is still the filth of sins; under the covering we are just as dirty as always. So to re ask my question to all fellow Christians here:



Are our sins just covered or is there something more?​

It is better to not look at things as "sins" . People make them into a religious thing and into an entity seperate unto themselves . Christianity is about a relationship with the Lord . Once you are a Christian , you know that He will not leave you - it is in your hands . If you seperate from Him for some reason over anything stupid , He is always willing to take you back - when you want and willing to give up that stupid thing .

So , if you consider that as having "sins covered" , fine .
 
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