A question

[LinuxUser]

I hope everyone can participate from Catholics, Orthodox, Protestant, and Evangelical. I have had a question for a long time as I explore different aspects of Christianity. Are our sins just covered or is there something more?


I was listening to a sermon and the preacher said that our sins as Christians are covered just like a book the covers get changed so that all that is seen is Christ righteousness. This sounds nice but in the pages is still the filth of sins; under the covering we are just as dirty as always. So to re ask my question to all fellow Christians here:

Are our sins just covered or is there something more?​

 

[Deut 5:29]

I hope everyone can participate from Catholics, Orthodox, Protestant, and Evangelical. I have had a question for a long time as I explore different aspects of Christianity. Are our sins just covered or is there something more?


I was listening to a sermon and the preacher said that our sins as Christians are covered just like a book the covers get changed so that all that is seen is Christ righteousness. This sounds nice but in the pages is still the filth of sins; under the covering we are just as dirty as always. So to re ask my question to all fellow Christians here:

Are our sins just covered or is there something more?​

God says He will remove our sins from us as far as east is from the west.
He also says He will forget our sins and remember them no more.

 

[Lion King]

Open the book of Isaiah:

• "Come now, and let us reason together, said the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." Isaiah 1:18

• "I, even I, am he that blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and will not remember your sins." Isaiah 43:25

• "I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, your transgressions, and, as a cloud, your sins: return to me; for I have redeemed you." Isaiah 44:22

 

[Frogster]

God says He will remove our sins from us as far as east is from the west.
He also says He will forget our sins and remember them no more.

there goes you whole law theory...

Rom 3:20 For by works of the law no human being [3] will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

 

[Noxot]

if all our sins are forgiven, then why are we to confess our sins to God?

 

[heymikey80]

Are our sins just covered or is there something more?​

Our sins are atoned.

 

[4runner]

I hope everyone can participate from Catholics, Orthodox, Protestant, and Evangelical. I have had a question for a long time as I explore different aspects of Christianity. Are our sins just covered or is there something more?


I was listening to a sermon and the preacher said that our sins as Christians are covered just like a book the covers get changed so that all that is seen is Christ righteousness. This sounds nice but in the pages is still the filth of sins; under the covering we are just as dirty as always. So to re ask my question to all fellow Christians here:

Are our sins just covered or is there something more?​

Our sins are more than covered, they are completely washed away and forgotten.

 

[Noxot]

Our sins are more than covered, they are completely washed away and forgotten.

then i would say it is bad for the person that is clean, to again become dirty. since there is no more a sacrifice, but rather only a God that will judge us according to our works.

 

[LinuxUser]

if all our sins are forgiven, then why are we to confess our sins to God?

Excellent follow up question!

 

[PaladinValer]

Well, it depends on your soteriology. For some, they are just covered.

For Apostolic Christians (Vatican Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Anglicans, etc), we hold to the theology of theosis, in which we, by the sacraments, mysteries, and living faith (belief + works), are healed, repaired, and restored. Eventually, even to a state beyond the original state of grace that Adam and Eve enjoyed.

Thus, our sins aren't just covered, nor are they purified; we take upon ourselves as a gift from God a unity with Him, not abandoning our own substance nor our own will, but His Energies and an ever-purifying will that never even wants to go against His Will.

 

[LinuxUser]

Thank you all for your answers thus far

Well, it depends on your soteriology. For some, they are just covered.

For Apostolic Christians (Vatican Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Anglicans, etc), we hold to the theology of theosis, in which we, by the sacraments, mysteries, and living faith (belief + works), are healed, repaired, and restored. Eventually, even to a state beyond the original state of grace that Adam and Eve enjoyed.

Thus, our sins aren't just covered, nor are they purified; we take upon ourselves as a gift from God a unity with Him, not abandoning our own substance nor our own will, but His Energies and an ever-purifying will that never even wants to go against His Will.

Do the Orthodox believe in Purgatory also as Catholics do?

 

[PaladinValer]

No; Purgatory as theologically stated in Vatican Catholicism is denied by the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox (and officially by Anglicans).

However, our theologies do include a concept of continued purgation and purification before the Second Advent and Resurrection.

 

[Lion King]

then i would say it is bad for the person that is clean, to again become dirty. since there is no more a sacrifice, but rather only a God that will judge us according to our works.

Correct.

"For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?" Hebrews 10:26-29

 

[Melethiel]

I hope everyone can participate from Catholics, Orthodox, Protestant, and Evangelical. I have had a question for a long time as I explore different aspects of Christianity. Are our sins just covered or is there something more?


I was listening to a sermon and the preacher said that our sins as Christians are covered just like a book the covers get changed so that all that is seen is Christ righteousness. This sounds nice but in the pages is still the filth of sins; under the covering we are just as dirty as always. So to re ask my question to all fellow Christians here:

Are our sins just covered or is there something more?​

Our sins are covered.

And then, through the process of sanctification, we are purified.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I hope everyone can participate from Catholics, Orthodox, Protestant, and Evangelical. I have had a question for a long time as I explore different aspects of Christianity. Are our sins just covered or is there something more?


I was listening to a sermon and the preacher said that our sins as Christians are covered just like a book the covers get changed so that all that is seen is Christ righteousness. This sounds nice but in the pages is still the filth of sins; under the covering we are just as dirty as always. So to re ask my question to all fellow Christians here:

Are our sins just covered or is there something more?​

Your pastor was mistaken. Read the book of Hebrews for a full explanation. In the Old Testament the high priest sacrificed a spotless lamb every year. The blood of the lamb covered (atoned) the sins of the Israelites for the following year. The sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us completely from our sin so that our sins are removed from us as far as the east is from the west (an eternity) Psalm 103:12).

 

[razeontherock]

Are our sins just covered or is there something more?

Great question! I sincerely hope I am but one of a cloud of witnesses saying this:

Psalm 103:12 "As far as the east is from the west, [so] far hath he removed our transgressions from us."

This is NOT forgiveness only!

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9)

How?

"That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, Ephesians 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church,"

Welcome to the great and ongoing foot-washing service that is CF! Sorry in advance if sometimes the cleaners I use are abrasive, but I'm accustomed to handling tough stains.

Here it is in song, have you heard it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBrVAgezRAY&feature=fvst

Then there's this:

"Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood" (Rev 1:5)

 

[bbbbbbb]

Great question! I sincerely hope I am but one of a cloud of witnesses saying this:

Psalm 103:12 "As far as the east is from the west, [so] far hath he removed our transgressions from us."

This is NOT forgiveness only!

"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9)

How?

"That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, Ephesians 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church,"

Welcome to the great and ongoing foot-washing service that is CF! Sorry in advance if sometimes the cleaners I use are abrasive, but I'm accustomed to handling tough stains.

Here it is in song, have you heard it?

Then there's this:

"Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood" (Rev 1:5)

Thanks for joining the cloud here. Actually, Psalm 103 is an earlier song. Have you sung it lately?

 

[razeontherock]

then i would say it is bad for the person that is clean, to again become dirty. since there is no more a sacrifice, but rather only a God that will judge us according to our works.

Ouch. This is why "Saint Constantine" waited as long as possible to get Baptized, as was a custom of the time. That is bad theology.

 

[LinuxUser]

Your pastor was mistaken. Read the book of Hebrews for a full explanation. In the Old Testament the high priest sacrificed a spotless lamb every year. The blood of the lamb covered (atoned) the sins of the Israelites for the following year. The sacrificial blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us completely from our sin so that our sins are removed from us as far as the east is from the west (an eternity) Psalm 103:12).

It wasn't my pastor it was David Jeremiah, though I have heard many times that our sins are covered I thought it was a interesting illustration he used

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Both saint AND sinner