Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments? (4)

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Ro 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Romans 10:6 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

 

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1 Thessalonians 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 8 He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit

Ro 6:19 for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord

 

[Elder 111]

It was not only circumcision for salvation, but the also the law of Moses.

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

The legalistic Judaizers were ADDING to the Gospel of grace and teaching "another gospel" (Galatians 1:8-9).

There is only one Gospel.

Paul taught GRACE, the Galatian legalists were teaching "works salvation".

There was never "works salvation" and garce was not new, it was always there. Gen 6:8.

The problem was that they WERE teaching the 10 commandments in addition to the other 603 commandments of the law of Moses, plus circumcision.

Some of what there required was unnecessary but the ten commandments was not one of them.

As a result, the Galatian Christians (Gentiles), were trying to be "sanctified"/perfected by the flesh. That was the error....NOT that these Judaizers were failing to teach faith, love, and holiness by the 10 commandments.

 

[Elder 111]

Read the scripture it says right in there what you are saying it is not saying. She had posted it for you to read. The 10 Cs are part of the law of Moses.

Moses told God to write it? Was it Moses' idea? This God's law. The question therefore is, can we ignore a direct command from God and live?

 

[Elder 111]

hoot dangy!

what bound all in sin, ceremonial law?


22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed


EVERYTHING in the book of the law! That would include the 10..10..10..

10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

As a matter of fact, I believe that this is speaking of the ten commandments directly. A Spiritual guided understanding of the passage would show that it is Jesus that delivers us from under the law. Not removes the law but that the condemnation of the law is not ours, our sins are removed, death is no longer our reward.

 

[from scratch]

There is only one Gospel.

There was never "works salvation" and garce was not new, it was always there. Gen 6:8.

Pre corss grace was the exception and not the rule or norm. We never said grace wasn't available prior to the cross. The law dosen't provide for grace. Grace even in the case you cite is without regard for law. That is what grace does. All grace is contrary to the requirements of law and an exception to it.

Some of what there required was unnecessary but the ten commandments was not one of them.

And the 10 Cs was one of those unecessary items not finding its way into the letter from Jerusalem.

 

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As a matter of fact, I believe that this is speaking of the ten commandments directly. A Spiritual guided understanding of the passage would show that it is Jesus that delivers us from under the law. Not removes the law but that the condemnation of the law is not ours, our sins are removed, death is no longer our reward.

Then aren't the 10 Cs reduced to a monument?

 

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Moses told God to write it? Was it Moses' idea? This God's law. The question therefore is, can we ignore a direct command from God and live?

That is a real problem isn't it? The first thing you must do is find a Levite.

 

[Frogster]

Naw, not me I busted up all my cute glass piggy banks 20 years ago because someone accused me of having idols in my house. Oh wait Mom gave me a glass eagle. bet that thing is covered with an inch of dust. Guess I should take better care of my idols. huh? Oh yeah I have a belt buckle from a place I used to work at given to me from a friend as a gift. Opps I forgot I have a idiot box that sits high up on the wall for football season. Great reason to not do church on Saturday morning. Can't miss college football. Live 20 minutes from a team with 10 or so national titles. Hey I probably missed something. I furgot the pickup in the yard in a place of honor - its on blocks. Hey send the idol police they might find some more.

I knew there was something i liked aboutcha!

 

[Frogster]

As a matter of fact, I believe that this is speaking of the ten commandments directly. A Spiritual guided understanding of the passage would show that it is Jesus that delivers us from under the law. Not removes the law

15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace

but that the condemnation of the law is not ours, our sins are removed, death is no longer our reward.

Curious, do you do the shabbat thing, since you seem pretty close to the MJ movement in your theology, the gentiles pretend to be jewish, do you?

 

[Frogster]

There is only one Gospel.
There was never "works salvation" and garce was not new, it was always there. Gen 6:8.

If The gospel kind of grace was not manifested though. Very important, manifested, revealed in a large manner, totally brought to light to all.

1 Peter 1:10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets who prophesied about the grace that was to be yours searched and inquired carefully, 11 inquiring what person or time the Spirit of Christ in them was indicating when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the subsequent glories.

And..

17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.


And..

9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,10 and which now has been manifested through the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,


And..


17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, [5] as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”

Some of what there required was unnecessary but the ten commandments was not one of them.

 

[11822]

We should learn Gods commandments and Judge ourselves by them. Can we love God and neighbor and not obey Gods commandments also? No. Grace without Gods commandment is only part of the Gospel. Is this thread about Grace or commandments? If obeying thou shall not kill is wrong why isn't obeying love thy neighbor also wrong? To love God and neighbor means not killing Him therefore its a good commandment. It makes no sense at all to say we can disobey thou shall not kill. Maybe some commandments don't apply to us but some of them do. To say we're saved by grace alone is not to say we throw out Gods commandments. Oh yes i understand no man will be justified by the commandments but he wont be justified by throwing them out either. IMO

 

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Moses told God to write it? Was it Moses' idea? This God's law. The question therefore is, can we ignore a direct command from God and live?

Since it isn't given to the gentiles yes!

 

[11822]

Since it isn't given to the gentiles yes!

God said thou shall not kill, steal, fornicate, lie, or commit idolatry. He said this to every man, even Gentiles.

 

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Jesus said they were the 2 greatest commandments not the only commandments. Let us try whatever is the will of God.


Its funny how the commandments given in Mathew 19 are supposedly not Jesus commandments. The Commandments Jesus gave the rich man in Mathew 19 contain one of Jesus greatest commandments and adultery that Jesus also teaches on in chapter 5 and even in 19 right before the rich man enters.


Mr 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother

1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

1Jo 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever

1Th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you

13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; 14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. 15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: 16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. 17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God

I really don't like bringing up a post from this far back.

But these Scriptures don't identify My commandments in John 15:10 and neither do they identify My Father's commandments. I sure thought I made it simple enough.

 

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I really don't like bringing up a post from this far back.

But these Scriptures don't identify My commandments in John 15:10 and neither do they identify My Father's commandments. I sure thought I made it simple enough.

Any commandment that promotes love thy neighbor is good to learn. Paul commanded Gentiles to abstain from fornication which includes adultery. Paul also commanded that gentiles Love God and neighbor which includes any command that hangs on the commandment to Love thy neighbor.

 

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Any commandment that promotes love thy neighbor is good to learn. Paul commanded Gentiles to abstain from fornication which includes adultery. Paul also commanded that gentiles Love God and neighbor which includes any command that hangs on the commandment to Love thy neighbor.

So what is the motive of doing good? Obedience to a written law or a desire from within to do what is right? Are you saying that the desire is required or that the diesire comes from an indifvidual?

 

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I knew there was something i liked aboutcha!

 

[Elder 111]

Pre corss grace was the exception and not the rule or norm.

Ridiculous. Would you tell me the same about faith too? Without grace none would be saved, None them or us. That is clearly demonstrated in Zac. 3 Joshua was clothed in the robe of God a free gift.

We never said grace wasn't available prior to the cross. The law dosen't provide for grace. Grace even in the case you cite is without regard for law. That is what grace does. All grace is contrary to the requirements of law and an exception to it. And the 10 Cs was one of those unecessary items not finding its way into the letter from Jerusalem.

I do not know what you are talking abou. Grace is supplied because of the law. Rom 5:20Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord
I really don't understand why you do not let the bible speak for itself and accept the truth. God's ten commandments and Grace always was and is. Grace is why Adam did not die immedeately.

 

[Elder 111]

Then aren't the 10 Cs reduced to a monument?

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
When is, or can this be made a monument?