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Willful ignorance of evidence that proves otherswise. I'm sorry, but the idea that God created the world in 7 days, regardless of whether or not you interpret 1 year as 1000 years as Harold Camping does -.- it is physically impossible within the laws of physics and chemistry to create a landmass the size of the earth out of nothing. It defies all laws of science, matter cannot be created or destroyed.
Whilst we do not know where this energy came from to create bonds between chemicals and atoms to create matter. Whilst the Big bang has flaws, there is scientific evidence to back up the formation of matter, and The big bang theory is just that. A theory. It is not accepted as fact and scientists continue to try and prove its occurence in order to explain the origin of matter.
Willful ignorance in the belief that there is an almighty being that has to create this on the other hand is simple stupid and can almost be considered insane. I don't know whether or not you draw some kind of satisfaction that there is a 'greater being' that guides your lives because you are worried about what happens in the 'afterlife', but belief in something that has absolutely NO basis in fact is.....well....it defies explanation. The idea that you have to believe in a tolerant, benign, loving god to gain entrance into heaven completely contradicts the idea of that same benevolent God! If he is so loving and Jesus died for our sins, then he will allow you entrance to heaven regardless of whether you have atoned or not!
I do not deny that there is a historical figure called Jesus, but the idea that he is a divine being is a bit too far. Belief in God lacks proof and is simply a way of providing comfort that you do not simply die. Hate to break it to you.....but that's what happens. These spiritual visions people have when they die and come back to life cannot be explained by science because we simply do not know enough about the nervous system and how the brain works. Whether it is the lack of bloodflow to the brain, lack of oxygen, nerve systems playing tricks, we don't know and we do not SURMISE. We simply leave it as an unexplained occurance. But attributing them to a divine being because you 'believe God was with you' is simply arguing a case without any evidence!
When writing a thesis for a university degree, an essay for school or another work, you always need to provide evidence for your arguments. You cannot simply state something and have it unanimously accepted without proof. You cannot state it in the first place!
Im sorry, but implying the idea that there is a creator without any proof is invalid.
 

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Yup, you can change it. Click the "User CP" link at the top, then "Edit Details" - you'll be able to change it there. All the Christian options are at the top, and the non Christian ones at the bottom, to make it easier to find the category.
 
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In my opinion, the Big Bang theory sounds like more of an impossible and ridiculous fairy tale than there being a Creator. See tagline....

I see two problems with your tagline:

1. "Nothing" does not exist. -> See Vacuum state on Wikipedia (sorry, can't post links)

2. Not all atheists believe, that there was nothing before. Like me, I think mass and energy is the default value. Always was, always will be.
 
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Hi WI,

You know, when God gives one of His servants a new name it represents some nature of that person. Abram was named Abraham which means father of nations or people. I would have to say that the name you have chosen to represent you on these boards gives a pretty good indication of your nature. You know neither the power or glory of God. All you know is the power and glory of man, and yes, through our efforts and all that we know and understand, you are absolutely correct not only about the creation but about everything revealed to you from God.

Why? Because, friend, you are WI.

God bless you. Before you begin your endeavor to understand all the deeper things of God, you must first know His Son. Remember always, without the Spirit of God, the things of God are foolishness, just what you proclaim. HMMMMMM!

If you would like to know God's Son, I'll be happy to share with you what the Scriptures instruct you to do. PM me.
In Christ, Ted
 
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thanks andreha. Feroc that is correct. There can be no nothing, as we no doubt have already established and so therefore there can be no big flash that 'creates' everything. there already was energy, and from einstein's equation e=mc^2, we can see that mass and energy are interchangeable and proportional. thus we cannot create energy without mass, and vice versa, and in enormous quantities.
Additionally, 'the big bang theory', as i said, is a theory. Just like Darwin's theory of evolution and natural selection. However they are theories that are in some part explained and backed up by scientific proof. they are in no way infallible, and they don't claim to be. However, the bible is not listed as 'Matthew, Mark, Luke & John's theory of divine creation'. It is treated as fact and is strictly believed to be fact by some, and interpreted by others are metaphors for other deeds, but nonetheless construed as 'did happen'.
 
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Thank you for the kind sentiments Ted, they are appreciated :) You say " You know neither the power or glory of God. All you know is the power and glory of man". I do not claim to. I am merely stating what is revealed by scientific findings. I am fairly certain that in the bible it says "god created man in His image" ? i think it is along those lines. Therefore can we not draw the conclusion that god's power and glory is mirrored in man as we are his image?
 
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I see two problems with your tagline:

1. "Nothing" does not exist. -> See Vacuum state on Wikipedia (sorry, can't post links)

2. Not all atheists believe, that there was nothing before. Like me, I think mass and energy is the default value. Always was, always will be.

Quick question then....

If you believe that energy and mass is the default value, that it transcends being created, why would the belief that there is a God be past your willingness to believe? In other words, why does that make sense but the idea of a transcending God not? I'm not trying to ask a loaded question here, I guess I'm just wanting to understand your viewpoint more.

And for the record, math is hardly the tool I would use to prove something's existence or truth. Math works when it works. Its an idea that we have no idea why it works, we just know that it does. That's why you have so many different equations for when one equation doesn't work, you can pop in another to do the job. My point is, math is not the be all, end all. Its just a method we use to try and explain certain phenomenon, not to determine certain phenomenon. Am I making sense here?
 
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Willful ignorance of evidence that proves otherswise.
Proves what otherwise?
I'm sorry, but the idea that God created the world in 7 days,
That's dealing with the age of the earth.
regardless of whether or not you interpret 1 year as 1000 years as Harold Camping does -.-
I don't see what Harold Camping has to do with your title. If you're asking if Harold Camping is a man then yes.
I do not deny that there is a historical figure called Jesus, but the idea that he is a divine being is a bit too far.
You are a materialist after all so you cannot go further than the material portion. But how does that validate Darwinism? Isn't your title about willfully ignorant Creationists?
Belief in God lacks proof and is simply a way of providing comfort that you do not simply die.
Not comfort but the ability to have comfort is already referenced. But what does that have to do with willful ignorance?
Hate to break it to you.....but that's what happens.
Well materialists see themselves returning to their creator in the primordial soup, while Creationists hold that they weren't created by matter. So I understand your position. But how does that show that Creationisits are willfully ignorant?
These spiritual visions people have when they die and come back to life cannot be explained by science because we simply do not know enough about the nervous system and how the brain works. Whether it is the lack of bloodflow to the brain, lack of oxygen, nerve systems playing tricks, we don't know and we do not SURMISE.
What does that have to do with refuting the fact that man was created? Where's the willful ignorance?
We simply leave it as an unexplained occurance. But attributing them to a divine being because you 'believe God was with you' is simply arguing a case without any evidence!
Yes, if someone who believed that all phenomena had a purely visible cause found the explanation for magnetic fields it would be contradictory. We expect you to say that you dont know. But how is that evidence for Darwinism?
When writing a thesis for a university degree, an essay for school or another work, you always need to provide evidence for your arguments. You cannot simply state something and have it unanimously accepted without proof. You cannot state it in the first place!
So where is the refuting data?
Im sorry, but implying the idea that there is a creator without any proof is invalid.
Where is the refuting data?
 
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To posit an absolute negative assumes infinite knowledge. To say "There is no God" assumes that you have the infinite knowledge it requires to have determined that God indeed doesn't exist. Would you not then be putting yourself in God's shoes by making such a statement?
 
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Hi WIF,

You wrote: I am fairly certain that in the bible it says "god created man in His image" ? i think it is along those lines. Therefore can we not draw the conclusion that god's power and glory is mirrored in man as we are his image?

No.
 
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Willful ignorance of evidence that proves otherswise. I'm sorry, but the idea that God created the world in 7 days, regardless of whether or not you interpret 1 year as 1000 years as Harold Camping does -.- it is physically impossible within the laws of physics and chemistry to create a landmass the size of the earth out of nothing. It defies all laws of science, matter cannot be created or destroyed..
We do not believe in as nature/ natural god (science) but the Spiritual God. Our God is greater than the laws of physics.

If there is no God (according to your belief) that over the laws of physics then we got no hope as the world is slowly entering in a very dark time. The good ole days are about over.
 
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@ Ron Cooke- if that nothing came from another dimension, it still existed. Inter-dimension theory is seemingly possible - theoretically, we just do not have the technology to get near the speed of light. In essence though, matter and energy would still have been in existence at that point to convert into other forms of matter. There cannot be 'nothing'.
@ Herdsetk, mathematical equations are derived from observing relationships between values and constants in those equations. They are simply physical things we can use to understand the relationships within nature. We know why it works because we have quantzed those relationships. It doesn't "work because it works" we have put relationships to paper to make them easier to understand and how we can manipulate them. Equations were made to determine situations, not the other way around. You use different fomulas because different relationships require as such.

@ Iambeeman. I am posting an idea regarding alternate options because creationism doesn't provide any proof as to otherwise. I could similarly say that by stating "there definitely is a God" one implies total knowledge of this divine creator.

@ Greg
Willful ignorance, or refusal to accept, or refusal to acknowledge its potential for further understanding about human development.
'In the beginning God created Heaven and Earth'. Is it meaning the beginning of time? That sort of implies that the earth is as old as time.
My title is about the willful ignorance of creationists refusing to accept alternate proposals that have more credibility than their own.
Creationists are made from something different than materialists? How can you measure this? How can you determine its existence? I am curious to know how God created creationists out of something different when their denomination was not determined until teenage/adult years, not at conception.
My statement regarding the visions does not support Darwinism, it reinforces the inexplicable nature of some occurences currently. We do not place a label on them because we do not understand them. I think it should be similarly with Creationism. You cannot provide proof or englightening evidence for it, so why acknowledge it?
"Where's the refuting data" is answering my statement about cause for validty with another question. As I said, Darwinism is a Theory, just as many other things are theories as they cannot yet be proven. The refuting data is that there is no physical proof whatsoever of a divine being. If you attribute awareness of Him to a feeling, or a sensation, then how is it you do not attriubte other sensations to other phenomena or theories?
 
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