Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[Lionroot]

You still did not answer me, or others. Please follow thread order, was the law one?

I absolutely did, and will again.

There is one law giver.
There is one law.
There are many covenants.

So can you answer my questions now?

 

[Elder 111]

My Bible states that it was Paul's custom to go to "the Jew first". (Romans 1:16) Paul's burden after conversion was to preach Christ. He was burdened for his own people, the Jews. So he went where the Jews were to preach Christ to them.

Acts 13:5 And when they were at Salamis, they preached the word of God in the synagogues of the Jews: and they had also John to their minister.

Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Acts 13:15 And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on. (Notice, Paul did not do the "reading of the law and the prophets")

Acts 13:16 Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Acts 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. (Paul preached the Gospel, not the law)

Acts 17:15 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:

Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Acts 17:3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

Acts 17:4 And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Acts 18:5 And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.

First Paul commission was to the gentiles first. Acts 9
14And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.
15But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Did you notice that Gentiles and Jews were in the same synagogues? Did you also noticed that the Gentiles asked Paul to speak to them the next Sabbath? All in the same passage you used. These along with the fact that Paul met them outside the synagogue on the Sabbath also.
Why?

 

[Elder 111]

It seems to me that you think Frogster is confessing that the law isn't good and holy. I would very much say that isn't his position at all. Neither is it my position.

Why proclaim it abolished then? Or you mean that all the ten except sabbath?

 

[Rajni]

...and yet right there at the end. There is the personal attack. If you want to call me a hypocrite, use the right word. I am a big boy. I have driven down this road before.

Not an attack, a statement of fact. It applies just as much to me as it does to you or any other mortal. No human can keep the whole law, therefore any human telling others they must do so while they, themselves do not, is hypocrisy.

Nevertheless you really do not know that. So your judgment is premature. Secondly you judge me by a false standard of human tradition.

Actually, I do know that, and there's nothing false about the fact that no one but Jesus could keep the whole law perfectly. No, I'm not about to put any human being on the same level as Jesus. I would rather avoid idolatry if I can.


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[Lionroot]

Your assuming something that is just blatantly untrue. I never told you to be perfect. That was someone else.

I think it's funny that you worry in this post about a specific command. You broke that one anyway by your own judgement. Right? So why focus on that one?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Why proclaim it abolished then? Or you mean that all the ten except sabbath?

Just their Temple/Sanctuary/Priesthood ordinances were ablolished.

Hebrews 8:13 in the to be saying 'NEW', He hath made OLD the first.
The yet being aged and being obsolete nigh of disappearance/a-fanismou <854>
[Luke 5:37-39/Reve 19:3]

Reve 19:3 And a second-time they have declared "allelouia and the smoke of Her is ascending into the Ages of the Ages".

 

[Rajni]

Your assuming something that is just blatantly untrue. I never told you to be perfect. That was someone else.

No, you never told anyone to be perfect in so many words. You don't have to. It is Scripture which states, concerning law-keeping, that unless you're doing it perfectly, you're not doing it at all. In other words, God doesn't recognize a command-keeper unless that person is doing it perfectly from birth till death. Therefore, any human being saying they keep the commandments by any worthwhile standard (God's standard) is mistaken. In reality, they don't keep them at all, because they can't. The whole thing's moot anyway, since the law has been abolished according to Paul.

I think it's funny that you worry in this post about a specific command. You broke that one anyway by your own judgement. Right? So why focus on that one?

Which command is that? I'm not pushing command-keeping, so why would I be worried about a specific command? Or were you addressing someone else?

 

[Lionroot]

I would rather avoid idolatry if I can.


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This is a clear reference to the second commandment.

What happened to akuna ma tata?

 

[Lionroot]

No, you never told anyone to be perfect in so many words. You don't have to. It is Scripture which states, concerning law-keeping, that unless you're doing it perfectly, you're not doing it at all.

That's not exactly true.

1 John 1:9
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 2:4
4 Whoever says "I know him" but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
1 John 3:6
6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

 

[Rajni]

This is a clear reference to the second commandment. What happened to akuna ma tata?

Simply because all things are now lawful doesn't necessarily mean all things are beneficial (1 Cor 10:23; 1 Cor 6:12).
Don't worry; be happy!

 

[Rajni]

That's not exactly true.

1 John 1:9
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 2:4
4 Whoever says "I know him" but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
1 John 3:6
6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

How do those verses contradict James 2:10?

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[Frogster]

I absolutely did, and will again.

There is one law giver.
There is one law.
There are many covenants.

So can you answer my questions now?

I posted em, the 10, and all the others were in the mosaic cov.

Bro, can i ask you something?

You do realize dontcha, that chaela, and others have asked you if you keep all the law, and I posted how the law is one, but you do not answer?

This happens on forums, the person not answering, seems to presume, no one notices.

 

[Elder 111]

It seems to me that you think Frogster is confessing that the law isn't good and holy. I would very much say that isn't his position at all. Neither is it my position.

You seem to thing that the law is the means of salvation or that I am saying so. I have made it clear as did Jesus that we keep the 10
commandments because we love Him and are saved.

 

[Elder 111]

Since when is worshipping or going to an assembly on the sabbath constitute sabbath observance? The Jews were only required to assemble for worship 3 times a year according to the law. The synagogue didn't come into being until the Babylonian captivity I think. According to the sabbath that God gave Israel in Ex 19:26 they weren't even to leave their house.

How come collecting money denote Sunday observance?

 

[Frogster]

You seem to thing that the law is the means of salvation or that I am saying so. I have made it clear as did Jesus that we keep the 10
commandments because we love Him and are saved.

Why did the promise come in Abraham, who had not moses?

You still have not talked NT theology, and Abe with me. Why?

 

[Elder 111]

The law is a single undivisible unit as shown by James 2:10, 11. Note I didn't use Paul to make the point. Frogster didn't say anything about circumcision being part of the sabbath. He referred to the whole law concept stated in James where Paul uses circumcision in the same manner.

James showed that for the 10 commandments. You who oppose the sabbath extend it to all laws to secure a basic for your arguments. James only mentions tenants of the 10 commandments as his examples.

 

[from scratch]

How do those verses contradict James 2:10?

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Good question.

 

[from scratch]

You seem to thing that the law is the means of salvation or that I am saying so. I have made it clear as did Jesus that we keep the 10
commandments because we love Him and are saved.

Do you have a refrigerator?

 

[Elder 111]

One of the interesting things is that Paul always went to the synagogue first and it is a well known fact that gentiles also attended the synagogue. So the statement really points to the fact that the Jews weren't particulare interested in what Paul had to say. Infact they even tried to kill him on more than one occassion.

Touching on the I Cor 16 issue - does it make sense to come to church to place an offering in the church treasury when one was there the day before? I think that is completely un reasonable. They don't do something that silly at any church I ever went to. My SDA neighbor doesn't do it either. The verse doesn't imply at home. If that is what Paul meant why didn't he say to do it at home. Further evidence is the phrase "that there be no clooection when I come." It can't be that Pauls is stating take up a collection so there won't be one. If it is at there house when Paul comes there must be a collection take up which Paul wants to avoid. Treasury is a commercial opposed to a domestic word.

Firstly money can be collected without a church service may not even be money, food and clothes. Secondly If it is collected at a gathering or a service it does not mean they did not observe the sabbath before. As you know we meet in church gatherings more than once a week and SDA's meet on Sabbath and Sundays.
The point we accept something that is not plainly stated while rejecting that which was.

 

[Elder 111]

Ummmm..the law was one..CONTEXT..the next verse shows by this abolishment, we were reconciled to God. It was not just some minor ordinances, that had to be gone to reconcile us to God, the chapter opens in 1 and 5, we were DEAD in trespasses, under wrath known violations, so you must go by the context, and the definitions provided by the context, it is ralking much more than ordinances.

Were we dead in ceremonial ordinance trepaspasses?

5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

Reaconciled TO GOD>>by this abolishment. Read 2 Cor 5:19, God was reconciling, not counting trepasses any more, same wordage, more than just some ordinances.

15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.

Are you saying that we are reconciled to God by the abolishing of the ten Commandments?