Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[from scratch]

I don't know. Should a Chrisitan obey the commandment not to kill?

indicence isn't obedience. Should a Christian do evil and be wicked? I don't find that premise in Scripture.

 

[from scratch]

Cornelius was a God fearer:

Acts 10:1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

Acts 10:2 A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

The Lord opens the doors to preach to the unsaved...our responsibility is to OBEY the Lord's leading.

The Jews stoned Paul for preaching the Gospel...not the law.

 

[Lionroot]

Luke 16:16

So which is it? The law ends with John or the cross? You really must stay consistant.

This is a reference to writings. God had revealed nothing new until John. Look John called people to repent. Of what? Breaking the Law of a God.

 

[Frogster]

Luke 16:16

So which is it? The law ends with John or the cross? You really must stay consistant.

This is a reference to writings. God had revealed nothing new until John. Look John called people to repent. Of what? Breaking the Law of a God.

Whyyaaa figure they said the law was a curse?


John 7:49 But this crowd that does not know the law is accursed.”

And here..law life=curse. Why?

Gal 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

 

[Rajni]

Wow.

I hope you see how you have added to his words to arrive at your interpretation. I suppose it was necessary to make what he said to fit your a priori.

Revelation 3:3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Lionroot, you still haven’t answered my question in post 287. Why are you avoiding it?

Here it is again for your convenience:

Do you keep all God's commandments perfectly, Lionroot? If you don't then in His estimation you aren't keeping any of them (James 2:10).

 

[Frogster]

Are you saying that context alters meaning? I believe that a verse means what it always meant. Do you disagree?

Tell me something bro, can pick-n-choose, cafeteria style, pay-as-we- go, law keeping be done, or is the law one?

Josh 1:8 This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.


James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Galatians 5:3
Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.

Galatians 3:10
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."

18 Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. 19 For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you


Exodus 24:3 Moses came and told the people all the words of the LORD and all the rules. And all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words that the LORD has spoken we will do.”

 

[Lionroot]

Hmmm! I thought Moses was nailed to the cross. Talking about the law of Moses that is.

Actually I am talking about the "God's Law that was given by Moses." (Neh 10:29)

There is a bit of a shell game going on in this thread. There is a distinction between covenants, laws, and testaments.

Everyone:

There is one law giver. (James 4:12)
There is one law. (Exodus 12:49 Num 15:29)
There are many covenants described in the Bible.

Covenants are like contracts. The US government can contract with me to buy what I make. As a stipulation of that contract they may include a clause saying that I obey the US laws. Or a clause that forbids me from selling to other governments.Contacts are frequently renegotiated, but the law remains the same.

Testaments reference books and times when those books were written. These divisions were not inspired. Originally, the Bible was a library of scrolls.

I hope this will clear up some of the issues. The words "law","covenant", and "testament" are not synonymous.

 

[Frogster]

Actually I am talking about the "God's Law that was given by Moses." (Neh 10:29)

There is a bit of a shell game going on in this thread. There is a distinction between covenants, laws, and testaments.

Everyone:

There is one law giver. (James 4:12)
There is one law. (Exodus 12:49 Num 15:29)
There are many covenants described in the Bible.

Covenants are like contracts. The US government can contract with me to buy what I make. As a stipulation of that contract they may include a clause saying that I obey the US laws. Or a clause that forbids me from selling to other governments.Contacts are frequently renegotiated, but the law remains the same.

Testaments reference books and times when those books were written. These divisions were not inspired. Originally, the Bible was a library of scrolls.

I hope this will clear up some of the issues. The words "law","covenant", and "testament" are not synonymous.

The laws were of the old cov, all of em.

Leviticus 26:15
if you spurn my statutes, and if your soul abhors my rules, so that you will not do all my commandments, but break my covenant,

Deuteronomy 4:13
And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments and he wrote them on two tablets of stone.

 

[Lionroot]

Lionroot, you still haven’t answered my question in post 287. Why are you avoiding it?

Here it is again for your convenience:

Do you keep all God's commandments perfectly, Lionroot?

The question is an irrelevant distraction that will change the direction of the thread into a personal attack. Which most likely is against the rules of the forum. It is a tactic, not a search for truth. In fact it avoids the truth altogether. Lets stick to scripture.

I will say this: I walk in the light and practice righteousness (1 John)

 

[Lionroot]

The laws were of the old cov, all of em.

More of that shell game. So which laws did Christ encourage you to break?

 

[Rajni]

The question is an irrelevant distraction that will change the direction of the thread into a personal attack.Which most likely is against the rules of the forum. It is a tactic, not a search for truth.

Not at all. Anyone who upholds the value of law-keeping, and does so from God's perspective, must also practice what they preach. Again, if one doesn't keep all the commandments perfectly, from cradle to coffin, then one is not keeping any of them. So I can understand the hesitation in answering my question, and it has nothing to do with the reasons you cited.

In fact it avoids the truth altogether. Lets stick to scripture.

On the contrary, it brings it to light. You are preaching something you yourself do not do, Lionroot.

 

[Frogster]

More of that shell game. So which laws did Christ encourage you to break?

Shell game? you just corrected another memnber about forum rules..lol..ok, does the post show, the law was one, and we can't be cafeteria law party people?

 

[Harry3142]

The law and commandments of the Old Covenant had nothing whatsoever to do with salvation and eternal life. They were a set of laws that, if accepted and adhered to as a set, would make the Hebrew nation a cohesive and prosperous society, capable of defending itself against the other societies that surrounded them. Even the rewards which God promised to the Hebrews in exchange for their keeping his laws and commandments were pragmatic, referring only to what they would receive in this life:

If you pay attention to these laws and are careful to follow them, then the Lord your God will keep his covenant of love with you, as he swore to your forefathers. He will love you and bless you and increase your numbers. He will bless the fruit of your womb, the crops of your land - your grain, new wine and oil - the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks in the land that he swore to your forefathers to give you. You will be blessed more than any other people; none of your men or women will be childless, nor any of your livestock without young. The Lord will keep you free from every disease. He will not inflict on you the horrible dieases you knew in Egypt, but he will inflict them on all who hate you. (Deuteronomy 7:12-15,NIV)

That is what God agreed to give them. There was to be no thought of an afterlife (that was egyptian mythology, and was to be seen as such). They obeyed God's laws in this life, they were rewarded with material possessions and children in this life. But there it ends.

To say that any part of the Old Testament, including the laws found there, can be applied to salvation as necessary, is comparable to saying that I can get into my car here in Ohio and drive to Tokyo, Japan. Just as my car was not designed to cross an ocean, in the same manner the laws of the Old Testament were not designed nor intended as a means of obtaining salvation:

What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith. But Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the "stumbling stone." As it is written:

"See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame." (Romans 9:33,NIV)

On a personal note, I consider those who are willing to condemn others because they don't follow the laws they emphasize to be on a slippery slope. In many cases the stress has been placed on these laws, not out of genuine concern for the welfare of others, but in order to use these particular laws as 'bait' to gain power and authority over others. The ones who threaten others with God's wrath unless they are seen as their spiritual leaders are liable to find themselves facing that same wrath when it's their time to give an accounting of what they've done.

 

[Lionroot]

Not at all. Anyone who upholds the value of law-keeping, and does so from God's perspective, must also practice what they preach. Again, if one doesn't keep all the commandments perfectly, from cradle to coffin, then one is not keeping any of them. So I can understand the hesitation in answering my question, and it has nothing to do with the reasons you cited.j


On the contrary, it brings it to light. You are preaching something you yourself do not do, Lionroot.

...and yet right there at the end. There is the personal attack.

If you want to call me a hypocrite, use the right word. I am a big boy. I have driven down this road before.

Nevertheless you really do not know that. So your judgment is premature.

Secondly you judge me by a false standard of human tradition.

Can we discuss scripture now?

 

[Lionroot]

Shell game? you just corrected another memnber about forum rules..lol..ok, does the post show, the law was one, and we can't be cafeteria law party people?

I'm sorry, which law did Christ encourage us to break?

 

[Frogster]

I'm sorry, which law did Christ encourage us to break?

Why don't you want to talk theology, instead of this?

Is the law one, as a whole?

Please advise.

 

[Frogster]

...and yet right there at the end. There is the personal attack.

If you want to call me a hypocrite, use the right word. I am a big boy. I have driven down this road before.

Nevertheless you really do not know that. So your judgment is premature.

Secondly you judge me by a false standard of human tradition.

Can we discuss scripture now?

as far as personal attack, you called me insane, on your first post to me.

Bro, lets move on now, and keep the thread objective.

 

[Lionroot]

Why don't you want to talk theology, instead of this?

Is the law one, as a whole?

Please advise.

Yes

I am discussing theology.

Did Jesus encourage us to obey our defy the God's law?

How do we identify the children of the devil?

 

[Lionroot]

as far as personal attack, you called me insane, on your first post to me.

Bro, lets move on now, and keep the thread objective.

I most certainly did not. I asked if you were insane, for comedic effect.

I certainly apologize if I hurt your feelings.

I enjoy your posts. They are occasionally well reasoned. I think you represent many on your side of the aisle.

 

[Frogster]

Yes

I am discussing theology.

Did Jesus encourage us to obey our defy the God's law?

How do we identify the children of the devil?

You still did not answer me, or others. Please follow thread order, was the law one?