Paul confessing that he keeps the Law.

[Deut 5:29]

are you saying then that by Paul's admission, clean foods only would have been on his menu, to the exception of unclean foods? Steve

Unclean animals are not food. There is no such thing as "unclean food".

 

[Frogster]

Sounds suspiciously like you're saying that Paul lied under examination.

That was a sweeping statement with no qualifications to prove otherwise.

was it a trial about his whole life, or the one issue? Context..context..

Besides, you have been shown the key word..BELIEVE...

 

[Frogster]

Unclean animals are not food. There is no such thing as "unclean food".

THE LAST WORD IN GEN 9, WAS IF IT MOVED, SHOOT-N- EAT.

BUT LETS NOT DERAIL.

 

[Frogster]

I do. I listen to the Spirit.

And for those of you who persist in saying that Paul somehow believed the entire Law but did not follow it, like Rosebud and Frogster have said....

Acts 21
24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.”

26 The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them.

They asked Paul to join in the purification rites of these 4 guys because it would show everyone that Paul obeyed the Law (not just believed the Law)

AND PAUL DID!!!

Did Paul say or not say, for the gospel, he did certain things? read 1 Cor 9 friend.

They lived as gentiles in Antioch, Peter, Barnabas, paul, and the rest of the jews, read gal 2, and stop prooftexting an unusal historical event, in a stressful transitional time please.

20 And when they heard it, they glorified God. And they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed. They are all zealous for the law, 21 and they have been told about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake (apostasy in Greek)Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or walk according to our customs. 22 What then is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come


Look what James said...try to imagine the situation, of thousands of angry law party there, and james fearing it all...context..context..


23 Do therefore what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow;

 

[NaLuvena]

I think the idea was to cause the Jews to think something and not prove that Paul observed the law. Please read the account very carefully.

Now you're just saying that Paul was lying to the Jews.

Paul kept the Law my friend. He was obliged to.

After all, he was circumcised.

 

[NaLuvena]

Not at all, he was actually telling the truth... he was purified and shaved when they found him, like a good Jewish boy.. either way looks like pleasing men, had got him into trouble...

21:26Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.
27And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him...,

But I must admit, Paul is one to play his cards very well

23:6But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brothers, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question


22:25And as they bound him with thongs, Paul said to the centurion that stood by, Is it lawful for you to whip a man that is a Roman, and uncondemned? 26 When the centurion heard that, he went and told the chief captain, saying, Take heed what you do: for this man is a Roman. 27 Then the chief captain came, and said to him, Tell me, are you a Roman? He said, Yes

Yet none of you can prove that he broke any Law.

It all of this he still obeyed the Law.

Unless you know of a law that forbids appealing to Pharisees for help, or to use your Roman citizenship to save you from a whipping you don't deserve

 

[cyberlizard]

Did Paul say or not say, for the gospel, he did certain things? read 1 Cor 9 friend.

They lived as gentiles in Antioch, Peter, Barnabas, paul, and the rest of the jews, read gal 2, and stop prooftexting an unusal historical event, in a stressful transitional time please.

20 And when they heard it, they glorified God. And they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed. They are all zealous for the law, 21 and they have been told about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake (apostasy in Greek)Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or walk according to our customs. 22 What then is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come


Look what James said...try to imagine the situation, of thousands of angry law party there, and james fearing it all...context..context..


23 Do therefore what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow;

Daniel lived in a Gentile land, surrounded by Gentile people, yet he did not break the kosher laws, he simply ate vegetables. How do you know Paul did not simply do this?

Show us where it says James was afraid, all it says is they will hear you have come. If Paul wanted to make an argument against being under the law, now was the time. He didn't! The early Jewish believers were fanatically Torah observant.

If the charges brought against Paul were true, then his words count for not nothing.


Steve

p.s. to say he ate with Gentiles is a non-starter as many of the gentiles he had to do with were gentiles whom he initially met worshipping in the synagogues who would have been eating kosher anyway as par for the course regarding purity rules. They were really eager for the gospel as it did not require going under the knife.

 

[NaLuvena]

Did Paul say or not say, for the gospel, he did certain things? read 1 Cor 9 friend.

They lived as gentiles in Antioch, Peter, Barnabas, paul, and the rest of the jews, read gal 2, and stop prooftexting an unusal historical event, in a stressful transitional time please.

20 And when they heard it, they glorified God. And they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed. They are all zealous for the law, 21 and they have been told about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake (apostasy in Greek)Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or walk according to our customs. 22 What then is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come


Look what James said...try to imagine the situation, of thousands of angry law party there, and james fearing it all...context..context..


23 Do therefore what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow;

Dude, we're talking about guys who died for their faith, who faced whips, chains, imprisonment, stoning, lynching, hunger....

You think that believers like James would be scared of a few thousand angry people, whatever the reason?

The context you've implied is way off target, my friend. That explanation is (and please I do not say this to offend you) crap!

And into the bargain, you're now saying that the Church leaders begged Paul to lie to save themselves AND PAUL AGREED AND LIED?

:o:o:o

 

[Frogster]

Now you're just saying that Paul was lying to the Jews.

Paul kept the Law my friend. He was obliged to.

After all, he was circumcised.

well of course Paul was cut when he was a non thinking baby.

 

[NaLuvena]

well of course Paul was cut when he was a non thinking baby.

Yes he was

And he was obligated to keep the Law.

 

[Frogster]

Daniel lived in a Gentile land, surrounded by Gentile people, yet he did not break the kosher laws, he simply ate vegetables. How do you know Paul did not simply do this?

Show us where it says James was afraid, all it says is they will hear you have come. If Paul wanted to make an argument against being under the law, now was the time. He didn't! The early Jewish believers were fanatically Torah observant.

If the charges brought against Paul were true, then his words count for not nothing.


Steve

p.s. to say he ate with Gentiles is a non-starter as many of the gentiles he had to do with were gentiles whom he initially met worshipping in the synagogues who would have been eating kosher anyway as par for the course regarding purity rules. They were really eager for the gospel as it did not require going under the knife.

Abraham did not have sabby, or food laws, who is the father of our faith, Danile, or Abe?

Fear?

Here..

20 And when they heard it, they glorified God. And they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed. They are all zealous for the law, 21 and they have been told about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake(APOSTASY) Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or walk according to our customs.


NEXT..


23 Do therefore what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow;


They all lived as Gentiles in Antioch. Am I wrong?

 

[Frogster]

obviously the riot that came afterward, shows why james feared, he knew the temp.

It was HOOOOOT.

 

[Frogster]

The jews could not stand the gentile dogs, look how they listened, until ONE WORD..

GENTILES!

Watch the tetimony unfold..Paul..


20 And when the blood of Stephen your witness was being shed, I myself was standing by and approving and watching over the garments of those who killed him.’ 21 And he said to me, ‘Go, for I will send you far away to the Gentiles.’”



22 Up to this word they listened to him. Then they raised their voices and said, “Away with such a fellow from the earth! For he should not be allowed to live.”

 

[Frogster]

Yet none of you can prove that he broke any Law.

It all of this he still obeyed the Law.

Unless you know of a law that forbids appealing to Pharisees for help, or to use your Roman citizenship to save you from a whipping you don't deserve

From his own lips. Amplified.

12Brethren, I beg of you, become as I am [free from the bondage of Jewish ritualism and ordinances], for I also have become as you are [[e]a Gentile]. You did me no wrong in the days when I first came to you; do not do it now].

 

[Frogster]

Dude, we're talking about guys who died for their faith, who faced whips, chains, imprisonment, stoning, lynching, hunger....

You think that believers like James would be scared of a few thousand angry people, whatever the reason?

The context you've implied is way off target, my friend. That explanation is (and please I do not say this to offend you) crap!

And into the bargain, you're now saying that the Church leaders begged Paul to lie to save themselves AND PAUL AGREED AND LIED?

:o:o:o

it was fear..besides, paul said he did certain things for the gospel. James was in a panic, ther were thousands..why do you think it says thousands?

 

[Frogster]

Yes he was

And he was obligated to keep the Law.

till he died to it..

we all know he lived under law, in his previous life. he called that life poo poo in phil 3.

 

[Frogster]

Now you're just saying that Paul was lying to the Jews.

Paul kept the Law my friend. He was obliged to.

After all, he was circumcised.

I thought you were going to sleep?

Must be 3 am in figi..Where is figi anyway?

 

[Rose_bud]

Abraham did not have sabby, or food laws, who is the father of our faith, Danile, or Abe?

20 And when they heard it, they glorified God. And they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed. They are all zealous for the law, 21 and they have been told about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake(APOSTASY) Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or walk according to our customs.

NEXT..

23 Do therefore what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow;

Never looked at it this way, but since it was required to present sin and burnt offering to the Lord after taking the vow of separation (number 6). How must Paul of felt.., presenting that lamb to the priest, especially since he knew that Christ was that Lamb

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Acts 24:14 (Amplified Bible)

14But this I confess to you, however, that in accordance with the Way [of the Lord], which they call a [heretical, division-producing] sect, I worship (serve) the God of our fathers, still persuaded of the truth of and believing in and placing full confidence in everything laid down in the Law [of Moses] or written in the prophets;

Paul's own admission, during his trial at Jerusalem before Felix.

Paul said he believed, the Law...

Great verse.
I like to see where certain forms of greek words are used in other verses, and what I found interesting was the way that particular is used by Paul's bro, John
Ya just gottal love the Gospel and Epistles of John

Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

pisteuwn <4100> (5723) This form used 24 times in 22 verses. Used 2 times together in John 3:18 and 1 John 5:10

Search for 'Genesis 1:1' in the version

Young) Acts 24:14 `And I confess this to thee, that, according to the way that they call a sect, so serve I the God of the fathers, believing/pisteuwn <4100> (5723) all things that in the law and the prophets have been written,

Young) John 3:18 he who is believing/pisteuwn <4100> (5723) in him is not judged, but he who is not believing/pisteuwn <4100> (5723) hath been judged already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Young) 1 John 5:10 He who is believing/pisteuwn <4100> (5723) in the Son of God, hath the testimony in himself; he who is not believing/pisteuwn <4100> (5723) God, a liar hath made Him, because he hath not believed/pepisteuken <4100> (5758) in the testimony that God hath testified concerning His Son;

 

[k4c]

Paul said he kept the Law.

Amen...

Paul also said he delighted in the Law even though he knew he wasn't perfect.