In one of previous threads - "Should secularism be?", most of you voted for support secularism. Don't you think you throw God out of your life?
Don't you think you throw God out of your life?
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I voted 'no'. You are free to have 'God' rule your life. You don't need to be free to impose your ideas on me in order for you to consider yourself free.
Secularism is the surest guarantee of the freedom from imposition ... that we know of.
Secularism is the surest guarantee of the freedom from imposition ... that we know of.
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I disagree, it is an ignorant malicious agenda that says any contrary thought or opinion or research into non religious ideas is an irreconcilable enemy of God or religion.
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Susan Jacoby said it best
"...two critical ingredients of American anti-intellectualism and ant-rationalism have remained largely unchanged since the 1890s. The first is the belief of a significant minority of Americans that intellectualism and secular higher learning are implacable enemies of their faith. The second is the toxin of pseudoscience, which Americans on both the left and the right continue to imbibe as a means of rendering their social theories impervious to evidence-based-challenges."
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"...two critical ingredients of American anti-intellectualism and ant-rationalism have remained largely unchanged since the 1890s. The first is the belief of a significant minority of Americans that intellectualism and secular higher learning are implacable enemies of their faith. The second is the toxin of pseudoscience, which Americans on both the left and the right continue to imbibe as a means of rendering their social theories impervious to evidence-based-challenges."
Susan Jacoby
The Age of American Unreason
oh I didn't Google that i read the book
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Voted no.
If places like Saudi Arabia were secular then aposty and blashphmey would not carry a death sentence.
You can still have religion in your life without it infringeing on everyone in your country.
If places like Saudi Arabia were secular then aposty and blashphmey would not carry a death sentence.
You can still have religion in your life without it infringeing on everyone in your country.
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No. God is perfectly able to exist within a secular society. Of course, when I talk of 'secular,' I'm speaking of a society where [a particular] religion is not government-endorsed, not a society where religion is the enemy.
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That's a completely false statement, more akin to hardline fundamentalism. I don't want to live in a religious fundamentalist ruled society-regardless of what religion it is. I want the freedom to choose and expect others to have that freedom too.
I especially am against making morality a law that everyone is expected to follow. I do not engage in drunkeness and don't drink often, but I am horrified that someone can dictate to someone else what they can and cannot drink, and how much. That is up to each individual.
I believe in separation of church and state. Everyone is free to practice their religion or not practice. Anything else is just militant fundamentalism. If you like it so much, go and live in Iran.
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Not unless you choose to. The point of secularism is that it gives you the choice as to whether you want God in your life or not, and it doesn't allow other people to make the choice for you.
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You assume your god has a right to be in my life. He doesn't.
If you want him in yours, fine but do not impose your will onto us.
If God does feel like he has a right, he should impose this law himself rather than relying on human courts and organisations to do it for him.
If you want him in yours, fine but do not impose your will onto us.
If God does feel like he has a right, he should impose this law himself rather than relying on human courts and organisations to do it for him.
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God has a right to be in your life. But decision is yours. You decide if you wand him to be in your life.
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Quite right. Secularism does not mean a ban on religion. It merely requires that religion be kept out of civil and political affairs. There is still room for religion in your personal life if you so choose.You are apparently unfamiliar with what the term "secular" means.
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Since god doesn't exist, there's nothing to throw out in the first place. God-believers on a mission, however, are a different question.
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I disagree with the premise of the thread; secularism at least when speaking of governments means personal religious freedom. The freedom to worship or not to worship as you please, I hope we can all agree that it a good thing.
On the personal level however, the answer is different for everyone.
On the personal level however, the answer is different for everyone.
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I voted no, because "supporting secularism" is often defined as "allowing others to be secular." However, no allowing others to choose would be going directly against God's will to let each of us choose for ourselves. If I don't allow another the freedom to choose how they want to live, I deny the commandment to "Love my neighbor as myself", since I want to have that freedom granted to me.
However, I do not support secularism in my own life as a practicing Christian. By this, I mean that I think it is wrong to be very materialistic, especially to exalt myself and make others feel inferior. I don't support making my body a billboard for corporations and brands. I don't believe that money comes before my faith. I don't believe that my goal is to be number one, but to help others as I would like to be helped, to forgive others even before it is asked, because I want to be forgiven and because I honor my deep forgiveness by God. I try to offer love to all, even those whom are hard to love, because God loved me first, and I want to honor that.
So, there is some secularism that I think is good for me to deny, but only in my own life, and to live by example, rather than demanding it of others. Hopefully, it will inspire others that there is a different way to live.
However, I do not support secularism in my own life as a practicing Christian. By this, I mean that I think it is wrong to be very materialistic, especially to exalt myself and make others feel inferior. I don't support making my body a billboard for corporations and brands. I don't believe that money comes before my faith. I don't believe that my goal is to be number one, but to help others as I would like to be helped, to forgive others even before it is asked, because I want to be forgiven and because I honor my deep forgiveness by God. I try to offer love to all, even those whom are hard to love, because God loved me first, and I want to honor that.
So, there is some secularism that I think is good for me to deny, but only in my own life, and to live by example, rather than demanding it of others. Hopefully, it will inspire others that there is a different way to live.
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