Sola Scripturists guide on the authority of the Bible

[Ortho_Cat]

To OP
Just because an Apostle writes something does not mean it is by default inspired by God.
A writing needs to be "God breathed" to be from God.

Even if we found another epistle from Paul, that does not mean it is automatically inspired by God.

God writes the scriptures not man (even Apostles).

And how do you determine this?

 

[Ortho_Cat]

"I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so." ~St. Augustine

 

[sunlover1]

"I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so." ~St. Augustine

The only authority the church, (WE) has is given by God and is authority
over our own lives and over the snakes and scorpions and over all
the power of the enemy.
We dont have authority to lord over others.

 

[sunlover1]

I agree. I have a reason for believing what I believe. When I ask another here he says it is because it just is.

My logic is that if I accept the Bible then I MUST accept the church that compiled it.

Faulty logic.

 

[Ortho_Cat]

Faulty logic.

care to expound?

 

[Ortho_Cat]

The only authority the church, (WE) has is given by God and is authority
over our own lives and over the snakes and scorpions and over all
the power of the enemy.
We dont have authority to lord over others.

Hmm sounds alot like American individualism to me. Well what's all this about submitting to your elders then?

17Obey(A) your leaders and submit to them,(B) for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to(C) give an account.(D) Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

 

[Montalban]

Faulty logic.

Ouch!

 

[OpenDoor]

Which completely misses the point of how you know a particular work is of Paul, and is God inspired

It is recognized as such. That is how the ECF did it and that is how we do it today.

 

[OpenDoor]

And how do you determine this?

I personally or Christianity as a whole?

 

[Montalban]

It is recognized as such. That is how the ECF did it and that is how we do it today.

Cite them doing this.

 

[Montalban]

care to expound?

I thought that was it!

 

[OpenDoor]

Cite them doing this.

Are you serious?
If I remember correctly they quoted all but 5 lines of the NT in letters they wrote.

 

[sunlover1]

care to expound?

Just apply the same logic to any other area and it will become apparent.
I thought clarification would be superfluous, no?

 

[sunlover1]

Hmm sounds alot like American individualism to me. Well what's all this about submitting to your elders then?

17Obey(A) your leaders and submit to them,(B) for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to(C) give an account.(D) Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

What about it? It doesn't negate the truth that we don't let these men "lord it over us" It's Scriptural. All of my doctrine comes only from Scripture, please feel
free always to correct me but only with Scripture, as you just did.
And of course I believe this passage, obviously we submit to them as God
leads us to. It's We who choose who our teachers are, so if any man comes
to you and said you are to submit to him, better run or at least avoid any
flavored drinks offered.

Ouch!

 

[Ortho_Cat]

What about it? It doesn't negate the truth that we don't let these men "lord it over us" It's Scriptural. All of my doctrine comes only from Scripture, please feel
free always to correct me but only with Scripture, as you just did.
And of course I believe this passage, obviously we submit to them as God
leads us to. It's We who choose who our teachers are, so if any man comes
to you and said you are to submit to him, better run or at least avoid any
flavored drinks offered.

The only authority the church, (WE) has is given by God and is authority
over our own lives and over the snakes and scorpions and over all
the power of the enemy.
We dont have authority to lord over others.

The impression I got from this passage is that only God has authority over us. I did not see any mention to the elders appointed by the church, which is why i included that verse. What you mean by 'lord over others' can be interpreted in various ways.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by sunlover1 Faulty logic.

Ouch!

Beware the faulty logic of those not to faith of Jesus, the lamb.

Revelation 14:10 And/also he is drinking out of the wine of the fury of the God of the having been blended undiluted in the drink cup of the wrath of Him
and he shall be being tormented/basanisqhsetai <928> (5701) in fire and sulfur in sight of the holy messengers and in view of the lambkin
.
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 7

TORMENTED IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LAMB​

The words torment, tormented, tormentors, and torments occur twenty-one times in the King James version, and all in the New Testament. Three of these are in connection with the lake of fire.

Let me give you the quotations. "The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of His indignation; and he shall be TORMENTED WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE IN THE PRESENCE OF THE HOLY ANGELS (MESSENGERS) AND IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LAMB: and the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever (Greek: unto the ages of the ages): and they have no rest day nor night..." (Rev. 14:10-11). "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever (Greek: unto the ages of the ages - see Part One of this series -'Just What Do You Mean ... ETERNITY!')" (Rev. 20:10).

 

[sunlover1]

The impression I got from this passage is that only God has authority over us. I did not see any mention to the elders appointed by the church, which is why i included that verse. What you mean by 'lord over others' can be interpreted in various ways.

Right. That is what I believe. Only God has authority over us.
The verse you mention appears to say otherwise. So what?
just kidding..
Very interesting subject and I appreciate your kindness in not
just blowing me off as a kook before giving me a chance to clarify.
Unless we know each other better than I originally thought..

17Obey(A) your leaders and submit to them,..

Who is your leader? Who chose him as your leader?
(Sort of a rhetorical question unless you dont believe
that chooser to be God)

for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to(C) give an account.(D)

Tells us why we should obey and submit to them, which also helps us to
know how far we should go in obedience and submission. (consider the
scandals in the news even as we speak .. what would you tell those
kids about obeying and submitting to priests? kwim now?)

Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

Amen. It's all bout you! (sounds good?! lol)
I do believe that i am the only one who can determine who "my" teacher
is and also we can have more than one mentor or teacher.. God is generous
and if we're hungry and seeking more and more, He'll accomodate us
Don'tcha think?

Again, all my own opinion based on what I've understood from Scripture and experience...
I try to look at all things through a lens of logic and application...

Thanks again ...
God bless you!

 

[Montalban]

Are you serious?

Are you? You make a claim about the ECFs and have no evidence to show that this is so

 

[Montalban]

Just apply the same logic to any other area and it will become apparent.
I thought clarification would be superfluous, no?

It just is! Got it!

 

[OpenDoor]

Are you? You make a claim about the ECFs and have no evidence to show that this is so

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon