Noah’s Flood Confirmed...?

[Doveaman]

Japan Quake Shortens Earth Day.

It’s amazing what a little earthquake can do to an entire planet, an earthquake which also generated a tsunami high enough to cause significant damage to northeast Japan.

Which reminds me of Noah’s flood; not only did water fall as rain from the clouds above, but Scripture also tells us “on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up” - Gen 7:11.

The “great deep” here may be referring to the great deep ocean, and the author may be referring to the earth’s crust being "broken up" at the bottom of the great deep ocean, generating tsunamis high enough to cover mountains, and even continents.

This would also explain where all the water went after the flood; most of it would have simply receded back into the great deep ocean, some of it would have been absorbed into the ground, and the rest of it would have simply evaporated back into the atmosphere to form clouds which then fell into the great deep ocean as rain.

I think the physics of Noah’s flood is being made all the more clearer now.

It's unfortunate what happened to Japan, though.

 

[Ar Cosc]

There's not enough water in the world, either in the atmosphere, soil, or ice caps, to completely flood the earth. And a tsunami wouldn't last for as long as it was supposed to. As well as the usual, like it would leave massive evidence, and the fact that a 9km high tsunami would have completely obliterated the Ark.

 

[Hespera]

One of the weird wonderful and wacky things about the theocreologists is that they have the most marvellous standards and rules for evidence!

All of the millions of man hours of work, all of the scientists in the world, all the millions of data points.... pshaw, they say.

But lo! a tidal wave.. and suddenly its noahs ark proven!

may be referring to the great deep ocean, and the author may be....


I think the physics of Noah’s flood is being made all the more clearer now[/QUOTE

Something about the mind / thin king process of the theocreologist is "more clearer' than ever!

 

[Doveaman]

There's not enough water in the world, either in the atmosphere, soil, or ice caps, to completely flood the earth.

Which earth are you referring to? Is it our present earth, or the earth of Noah’s present?

I don’t assume to know the topography of Noah’s earth. But you can speculate if you like. It’s comforting, trust me.

And a tsunami wouldn't last for as long as it was supposed to.

It doesn't need to. See above.

Also we can assume there was more than one tsunami in various parts of the earth:

“On that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up” - Gen 7:11.

As well as the usual, like it would leave massive evidence,

Like what?

and the fact that a 9km high tsunami would have completely obliterated the Ark.

Not if it was way out into the great deep ocean where the waves are not that high.

 

[Ar Cosc]

Which earth are you referring to? Is it our present earth, or the earth of Noah’s present?

Same earth. Nothing in science or in the bible supports it being any different.

I don’t assume to know the topography of Noah’s earth. But you can speculate if you like. It’s comforting, trust me.
It doesn't need to. See above

Well, Mount Ararat was still supposedly there, so we know one thing about it.

Anyway, if you want to say God did everything by God-magic, you can, but if you want to pretend any of your arguments have any scientific basis, you have to play by the rules.

Also we can assume there was more than one tsunami in various parts of the earth:

“On that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up” - Gen 7:11.
Like what?
Not if it was way out into the great deep ocean where the waves are not that high.

You still need water for tsunamis. And Noah supposedly built his ark on the land. A tsunami would have smashed it to pieces. Again, you can invoke God-magic all you want, but it's not science. This is always what happens, you guys try and pretend like your theories are scientific, only it raises all sorts of holes you have to plug with more halk-baked pseudoscience. Eventually you have to evoke some sort of God-magic anyway.

 

[AV1611VET]

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/science-technology/Japan-Quake-Shortens-Earth-Day-117974479.htmlThe “great deep” here may be referring to the great deep ocean, and the author may be referring to the earth’s crust being "broken up" at the bottom of the great deep ocean, generating tsunamis high enough to cover mountains, and even continents.

I've surmised before that -- just like filling a glass to the rim with water, then sticking your finger in it and making it overflow -- God could have just placed a downward pressure on the ocean, and voila, the Flood.

 

[Exial]

Still, it all boils down to goddidit. Which is no credible explanation at all.

 

[Hespera]

Same earth. Nothing in science or in the bible supports it being any different.


Well, Mount Ararat was still supposedly there, so we know one thing about it.

Anyway, if you want to say God did everything by God-magic, you can, but if you want to pretend any of your arguments have any scientific basis, you have to play by the rules.



You still need water for tsunamis. And Noah supposedly built his ark on the land. A tsunami would have smashed it to pieces. Again, you can invoke God-magic all you want, but it's not science. This is always what happens, you guys try and pretend like your theories are scientific, only it raises all sorts of holes you have to plug with more halk-baked pseudoscience. Eventually you have to evoke some sort of God-magic anyway.

to the extent that this "more clearer" evidence for noahs ark represents christian "thinking" its not surprising that "educated" and "fundamentalist" just dont go together.

 

[AV1611VET]

Still, it all boils down to goddidit.

Yup -- He admitted to it -- in Writing.

Which is no credible explanation at all.

For whom?

 

[AV1611VET]

to the extent that this "more clearer" evidence for noahs ark represents christian "thinking" its not surprising that "educated" and "fundamentalist" just dont go together.

you could always go on a crusade to increase the awareness of the need for more education in america that way congress could show its appreciation by tripling the tuition like what happened across the pond.

 

[TheReasoner]

to the extent that this "more clearer" evidence for noahs ark represents christian "thinking" its not surprising that "educated" and "fundamentalist" just dont go together.

I feel a pressing need to rectify an apparent mistake here. This is not representative of Christianity or Christian thinking as a whole.

 

[TheReasoner]

you could always go on a crusade to increase the awareness of the need for more education in america that way congress could show its appreciation by tripling the tuition like what happened across the pond.

Britain... Yeah, they're doing similar things in Texas though. Cutting in education, re-shaping the curriculum to a rather twisted one.

Shame, really. In economically difficult times one needs to keep people doing something which will benefit the nation later, and pull it out of a crisis.

The crisis has not hit here, but when it hit elsewhere many quit their jobs and started studies to get another degree. The state pays, and we get more education. Why was this a common choice? Less trade with other countries which means less work in those sectors, meaning many decided to do something more meaningful.

Actually that was one of the things that triggered my career leap as well.

 

[bibleblevr]

I feel a pressing need to rectify an apparent mistake here. This is not representative of Christianity or Christian thinking as a whole.

That is a fact!

By the way, A concern I always had about the flood is, where are all the salt deposits? If the ocean covered the earth, and then evaporated/receded/soaked into the ground, then we would have massive amounts of salt in the ground, and surely too much to give plants any hope of surviving.

 

[pgp_protector]

I feel a pressing need to rectify an apparent mistake here. This is not representative of Christianity or Christian thinking as a whole.

True, but some would love it if it was.

 

[TheReasoner]

True, but some would love it if it was.

Alas, yes.
Of course, I refuse to indulge them

 

[TheReasoner]

That is a fact!

By the way, A concern I always had about the flood is, where are all the salt deposits? If the ocean covered the earth, and then evaporated/receded/soaked into the ground, then we would have massive amounts of salt in the ground, and surely too much to give plants any hope of surviving.

Meh. It wasn't global. Plenty of verses speak of the entire world but it's clear from context it was a local phenomenon. Such as Quirinius calling the entire world in for census.

Besides, there is not enough water on the earth to cover the entire planet with water. Unless of course you elevated the deeps and lowered the mountains. Of course if you did THAT far enough you won't need much water at all. A lake should do. Provided the surface doesn't just suck up all the water that is. But mountains shrinking and deeps elevating for a short time is... Nonsensical.

The flood was local. Nothing indicates a global flood.

 

[Hespera]

I feel a pressing need to rectify an apparent mistake here. This is not representative of Christianity or Christian thinking as a whole.

Oh, I know it isnt. i guess I should have put more emphasis on the words

to the extent that it( represents christian thinking)

The Christians I know on campus here..they are, after all, the majority here in the bible belt..are smart sensible reasonable well grounded people who have no more respect for such nonsense than I do.

 

[Hespera]

True, but some would love it if it was.

Well sure, just as so many creationists are all about how one would have to be so incredibly stupid and intellectually dishonest to 'believe in evolution".

Im glad that most Christians are perfectly normal smart people, if the creos / fundies were a majority I would leave.

 

[Exial]

Yup -- He admitted to it -- in Writing.

The deluge myth is not unique to Christianity.
Many religions all claim that their deity/deities were responsible.

For whom?

Anyone who values logic and reason over faith.

 

[TheReasoner]

Oh, I know it isnt. i guess I should have put more emphasis on the words
The Christians I know on campus here..they are, after all, the majority here in the bible belt..are smart sensible reasonable well grounded people who have no more respect for such nonsense than I do.

Good!
Yes, we have a lot of Christians here, too. I'm sure some creationists diffuse into the mix at some point, after all Fick's law predicts that we will have diffusion from areas of high concentration to areas of low concentration of a given substance, and as I see little prohibiting SOME diffusion across the barrier of nationalism and ethnocentrism which seems to permeate the same solution, and which appears to bind to the creationist substrate rather well.

Hmmm... Actually, I think the substrate is conservatism and the binding species are creationism, nationalism and ethnocentrism. Seems to be an affinity between these ideological 'substances'.