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Another liberal lie...

Genetics and archeology has proven there is a pure indigenous population of Britain. I suggest for starters you look up Cheddar Man.

Cheddar Man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Very interesting article.

But this proves nothing about a 'pure indigenous population of Britain'. What it proves is someone who live in the Cheddar area 9000 years ago, has ancestors through the female line still living in the area.

It says nothing about racial purity.
It says nothing about the ancestry of other British people.

Under the above implied argument: if your father was a black African from a pure African ancestry (his parents were both black Africans, their parents were, and their grandparents etc), and your mother was a direct Mitochondrial DNA descendant of Cheddar Man, would that would make you a pure indigenous Briton? As far as Mitochondrial DNA is concerned, you would be.

There have always been movements of people and races, and interracial marriage. This even happened with the Israelites. Joseph married an Egyptian wife. Yet his two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim, started two Israelite (half) tribes.
 
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People of African origin have lived in Britain for centuries, according to genetic evidence.
A Leicester University study found that seven men with a rare Yorkshire surname carry a genetic signature previously found only in people of African origin.

The men seem to have shared a common ancestor in the 18th Century, but the African DNA lineage they carry may have reached Britain centuries earlier.
Read more:
BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Yorkshire clan linked to Africa
 
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Very interesting article.

But this proves nothing about a 'pure indigenous population of Britain'. What it proves is someone who live in the Cheddar area 9000 years ago, has ancestors through the female line still living in the area.

It says nothing about racial purity.
It says nothing about the ancestry of other British people.

Under the above implied argument: if your father was a black African from a pure African ancestry (his parents were both black Africans, their parents were, and their grandparents etc), and your mother was a direct Mitochondrial DNA descendant of Cheddar Man, would that would make you a pure indigenous Briton? As far as Mitochondrial DNA is concerned, you would be.

There have always been movements of people and races, and interracial marriage. This even happened with the Israelites. Joseph married an Egyptian wife. Yet his two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim, started two Israelite (half) tribes.

Science has proven that indigenous British exist, only liberals sadly deny the scientific evidence. Every other land also has a recognised native population - Australia the aborigines, New Zealand the Maori, America the Native American tribes etc.
 
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Science has of course proved that for centuries Britain has been genetic melting pot.

Evidence?

Last i knew geneticists were saying British have pure genes going back to the Neolithic period. Look up for example Brian Sykes' research, he is a professor of Human genetics at Oxford University.

There is no evidence Britain has been a 'melting pot'. Its only been like that in the last 50 years because of Lib-Lab-Con's open door policy of immigration, so we have been flooded by Asians, Africans, eastern europeans etc.
 
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Kemp presents genetic evidence proving that the vast majority of British people have ancestors going back several thousands of years years when haplogroups R1b, I and R1a spread northwards. British people with the R1b1 DNA haplotypes have on average a 74 percent homogeneity, with the remainder coming from countries just across the sea.

Historical records offer proof as well:

The Romans invaded in AD 43 with an army of 40–45,000 men but only 16,000 legionaries were stationed here afterwards.

Estimates for the population at that time are around 1.5 million; therefore, the effect of this invasion was one to two percent (Eagles Over Britannia: The Roman Army in Britain by Guy de la Bedoyere).

''In the sixth century the Anglo-Saxon element in the population of Britain amounted to no more than fifty to a hundred thousand” (Arthur's Britain: History and Archaeology AD 367–634 by Leslie Alcock).

Therefore, the Anglo-Saxon contribution would be somewhere between three and six percent.

DNA evidence shows that the R1a Haplogroup for Anglo-Saxons in England is 4.5 percent, a remarkable correlation (Kemp, ibid).

Between 789–1104 AD, the Vikings were known for their ferocious attacks on villages but only small numbers actually settled. War bands were tiny: “from seven to thirty-five a band and above three dozen an army” (Anglo-Saxon England by Lloyd and Jennifer Laing).

After the Norman Conquest, William, Duke of Normandy, dismissed his mercenaries and nearly all returned to France.

''The probability is that the Continental settlement did not involve more than 10,000 people — and perhaps as few as 5,000” (Offshore Islanders: From Roman Occupation to European Entry by Paul Johnson). “England simply acquired a new ruling class,” writes Johnson.

The Flemish and Walloons came from what is now Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxemburg and parts of northern France and Germany. About 16,000 were recorded in 1440, which was less than one percent.

The population at the time was estimated between two and 2.5 million, and had diminished as a result of the Black Death (Roots of the Future: An Education Pack for Exploring Ethnic Diversity in Britain by Peter White).

Throughout the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, there was a small trickle of people from all over Europe. In England and Wales, the 1871 census recorded 32,823 Germans, an Italian population of 5,063, again not significant amounts compared to the population of 20 million.

Between 1600 and 1800, people didn’t welcome foreigners with open arms and intermarriage of any sort was infrequent. Even when William of Orange came to England to unseat the unpopular James II, he was accompanied only by approximately 11,000 foot and 4,000 horse soldiers. The effect of his invasion was once again small.

The marriages between kings and queens of Europe and their relative squabbles did not have much of a bearing on the poor, often starving, ordinary people who mostly stayed where they were for thousands of years.

Cheddar Gorge Man

Possibly one of the best examples is Cheddar Gorge Man who is an example of how people have stayed where they were for thousands of years.

In 1996, his DNA was profiled and a sample from 20 residents of a nearby village was taken. It produced two exact matches. The close match was a history teacher named Adrian Targett.

What this means is incredible — these people are direct descendants of Cheddar Man and still live in the same area, thousands of years later.

The historical and genetic evidence support the fact that there is indeed a native people of Britain who have a right to this land.

We have as much right as the American Indians, Aborigines or Maoris.
 
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Cheddar Gorge Man

Possibly one of the best examples is Cheddar Gorge Man who is an example of how people have stayed where they were for thousands of years.

In 1996, his DNA was profiled and a sample from 20 residents of a nearby village was taken. It produced two exact matches. The close match was a history teacher named Adrian Targett.

Lol! Clearly this means that Adrian Taggart is the only person allowed to remain in Britain, the rest of us had better get back to where we came from! If only logic meant anything to the BNP and their racist apologists.
 
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So what if there is an "indigenous British" population? First of all, even the numbers you have quoted mean that you almost certainly have some "impure blood" in you. Secondly, who cares? What's the big problem with people who look a little different being in Britain?
 
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So what if there is an "indigenous British" population? First of all, even the numbers you have quoted mean that you almost certainly have some "impure blood" in you. Secondly, who cares? What's the big problem with people who look a little different being in Britain?

Does that mean that most of America and Australia better clear out, too? After all, they're "British", too. Better get them back over here as soon as possible!
 
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Does that mean that most of America and Australia better clear out, too? After all, they're "British", too. Better get them back over here as soon as possible!

Australia has native Aborigines, and NZ indigenous Maori. So why when it comes to Britain do you liberals deny we have a native population?
 
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Australia has native Aborigines, and NZ indigenous Maori. So why when it comes to Britain do you liberals deny we have a native population?

Firstly: The Maori, native Americans, Australian aboriginals were not so affected by the huge movements of people, migrations and invasions typical of Eurasia and to a lesser extent, Africa.

Secondly, even though I think everybody would recognise that a white person who can trace his ancestors on both sides back to William the Conqueror is more ethnically "British" than a recent immigrant from Pakistan, we're questioning why we should care about this. Why is race so important to you? Why wouldn't you prefer a kind, decent, skilled worker from Nigeria or China to a skinhead yob who goes out beating up gays at the weekend?
 
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Australia has native Aborigines, and NZ indigenous Maori. So why when it comes to Britain do you liberals deny we have a native population?

Britain has been invaded several times over the past thousands of years. Australia and New Zealand were invaded and colonised for the first time in the 1800s. Their native populations are dying out - Britain has had a considerable head start.
 
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Britain has been invaded several times over the past thousands of years.

By kinsmen. The Anglo-Saxons, Vikings, Normans (= North-men), Celts, Picts, etc were all of the same related Nordic ethnic stock. So they remained homogenous, unmixed. As someone posted in the other thread all these ancient peoples were genetically related (R1b) and in terms of race and ethnicity were also identical.

The liberals really need to brush up on their history...
 
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Secondly, even though I think everybody would recognise that a white person who can trace his ancestors on both sides back to William the Conqueror is more ethnically "British" than a recent immigrant from Pakistan, we're questioning why we should care about this.

Because the ethnic-British have a right to their identity, just as any other ethnic group does. However the far-left liberal elite have had an anti-British agenda ever since they forced multiculturalism onto us in 1948, and they have proven time and time again they don't care about native white Britons - but instead immigrants.

Equality law could bar white men from jobs | Mail Online

''White men could be legally blocked from getting jobs under new anti-discrimination laws being considered by Labour.

Employers would be able to give jobs to women or ethnic minority candidates in preference to other applicants, under the plans unveiled by equalities minister Harriet Harman.''

Why is race so important to you? Why wouldn't you prefer a kind, decent, skilled worker from Nigeria or China to a skinhead yob who goes out beating up gays at the weekend?

So now ethnic-British = skinheads? I thought you said you didn't label, generalise or judge others? Just another liberal contradiction.
 
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Because the ethnic-British have a right to their identity, just as any other ethnic group does. However the far-left liberal elite have had an anti-British agenda ever since they forced multiculturalism onto us in 1948, and they have proven time and time again they don't care about native white Britons - but instead immigrants.

Or maybe we should just forget all this race rubbish and start looking at people as, you know, people.

Equality law could bar white men from jobs | Mail Online

''White men could be legally blocked from getting jobs under new anti-discrimination laws being considered by Labour.

Employers would be able to give jobs to women or ethnic minority candidates in preference to other applicants, under the plans unveiled by equalities minister Harriet Harman.''
I don't approve of positive discrimination (yet another way your stereotyping of liberals is wrong). However, there is actually a middle ground between positive discrimination, and deporting all black people back to Africa.


So now ethnic-British = skinheads? I thought you said you didn't label, generalise or judge others? Just another liberal contradiction.

Read my post again, and point out where I said that. I didn't say that ethnic British=skinhead any more than I said all Chinese were well educated. If you would ever get over your obsession with race, you would have seen that I was pointing out that people should be considered on their individual merits, not on the basis of race.
 
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By kinsmen. The Anglo-Saxons, Vikings, Normans (= North-men), Celts, Picts, etc were all of the same related Nordic ethnic stock. So they remained homogenous, unmixed. As someone posted in the other thread all these ancient peoples were genetically related (R1b) and in terms of race and ethnicity were also identical.

The liberals really need to brush up on their history...

Oh, right, so we're not actually talking about native British people, but about a white European race.

You do realise that anyone born here is a native right?
 
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Australia has native Aborigines, and NZ indigenous Maori. So why when it comes to Britain do you liberals deny we have a native population?

I'm not denying it. I'm just saying it doesn't matter. So, should all the non-indigenous people in Australia and NZ be deported? Should people be kept to their own nations and never be allowed to move to others?
 
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I'm not denying it. I'm just saying it doesn't matter. So, should all the non-indigenous people in Australia and NZ be deported? Should people be kept to their own nations and never be allowed to move to others?

Except the only pure natives are living in Cheddar gorge! The rest of us have to leave
 
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Except the only pure natives are living in Cheddar gorge! The rest of us have to leave

Yup, this raises an interesting point. What if someone is one quarter Pakistani, and three quarters "native British"? Where do they go? Pakistan? What if Pakistan decide to start the same policy? After all, it's apparently perfectly natural and moral to only want to live among "your own kind"
 
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