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Worship, piety, blind faith, death, revenge, punishment, blood, etc... Why are Christians so obsessed with these things?
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Worship, piety, blind faith, death, revenge, punishment, blood, etc... Why are Christians so obsessed with these things?
Nathan Poe
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Ok -- how about people who believe that the Bible is 100% historically accurate when it clearly is not?
They believe, but they're not getting it.
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Nathan Poe
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My first instinct is to say, "they just don't get it."
I think I'll go with that one.
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Christians who believe in evolution is fine versus those who don't.
Christians who think abortion is fine versus those who don't.
Christians who believe contraception is bad versus those who don't.
Christians who think they should corporally hurt themselves versus those who don't.
Christians who think that Noah's flood was global versus those who don't.
Christians who think that Mary of Magdalene was a prostitute versus those who don't.
Christians who think the OT laws should still be followed versus those who don't.
Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Now, let me warn you that I am not looking for verses that show me how one of those sides is correct and the other one isn't. I don't care about your interpretation or your verses that justify it. I want to know HOW it is that you can tell which interpretation is correct. How do you know that YOUR interpretations are inspired versus those who disagree with you.
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Freodin
Devout believer in a theologically different God
An example. I gave you one. Check your blessings.
It`s easy. Click on the little [check] button at the top right on the page, where your blessings are shown. You will get a list of all the blessings you received or gave.
You will notice that you are now richer by 1.000.000 blessings, which came to you with the comment: "A free gift... no strings attached. I gave, you received... no action on your part necessary."
You might not even have noticed it, if not for my reminder. I know I wouldn´t... I never check for blessings.
So there you have it... a gift that you got without you having to "receive" it.
I can do it. It's easy.
Why can't the all powerful God?
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Nathan Poe
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Sacrifice? Is God currently without His Son?
No, wait, there he is -- sitting at the right hand of the Father; right where he was before.
It seems you're confusing "sacrifice" with "temporary loan" -- 33 years, give or take.
And again, 33 years is pretty impressive for folks like you and me -- but what's 33 years next to eternity?
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Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.
So, you're saying Shem did a little pirouette and he had thus seen that the world was round?
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Well I don't want the blessings. You forced them on me. God offers His. I will give you back the blessings if I can figure out how. I don't need them Im good without them.
So there is a example of a person rejecting the free gift.
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Nathan Poe
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In all fairness, this one is easy to explain: Pope Gregory the Great gave a speech in AD 591 where he conflated Mary of Bethany with Mary Magdeline.
An honest mistake -- there are several "Marys" referred to in the Bible, and most believers follow the path of least resistance by assuming they're all the same woman.
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Freodin
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Ah, so you need to take action to get rid of the gift!
Well, I never did so. I don´t believe I got a gift. That is a difference.
If you want to disbelieve that I send you one million blessings... I am fine with it. You won´t feel my wrath, I promise.
But they are there.... I send, you got. You have got!
What you do with my gift is of no concern for me. It was a small sacrifice for me in order to show you the difference between disbelief and rejection.
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Nathan Poe
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Not really -- he'd probably find your abortive attempts at wit as dull as everyone else does.
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You missed the point. He's trying to show you that a free gift has no strings attached. He didn't say "take my blessings or suffer." If God's gift really is free, then why does he punish people who don't take it? That's just scaring and bullying people into taking his "free gift." Reminds me of a mobster offering "protection" to business owners.
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Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.
Well, but that would make my point. Is the way to see which Christians are truly inspired through evidence, historical or otherwise?
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You lack spiritual understanding. You don't understand His position. One day you will.
Nathan, Read the book of John. One more time. Get a King James Bible.
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Freodin
Devout believer in a theologically different God
That is a good point... it just wasn´t my point.
My point - that he also missed - is that you don´t need to accept nor acknowledge a gift in order to be given it.
In fact, I just gave him another gift. Completely free, absolutely no strings attached. I gave, he got.
I wonder if he will figure out how to reject or return that gift!
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Nathan Poe
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Well, the Gospels are the last place to look for historical evidence -- it simply wasn't written that way. It's liturgical, not historical.
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Fine. So God made a temporary sacrifice of three days. Can I make a temporary sacrifice of three days and call it even?
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You haven't responded to the examples you requested. So, I'll repost here:
Christians who believe in evolution is fine versus those who don't.
Christians who think abortion is fine versus those who don't.
Christians who believe contraception is bad versus those who don't.
Christians who think they should corporally hurt themselves versus those who don't.
Christians who think that Noah's flood was global versus those who don't.
Christians who think that Mary of Magdalene was a prostitute versus those who don't.
Christians who think the OT laws should still be followed versus those who don't.
Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
Now, let me warn you that I am not looking for verses that show me how one of those sides is correct and the other one isn't. I don't care about your interpretation or your verses that justify it. I want to know HOW it is that you can tell which interpretation is correct. How do you know that YOUR interpretations are inspired versus those who disagree with you.
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