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OK everybody go back an edit yer post to Mrs. Obvious.Ooops...I spoke too soon
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This Thread Will End All Debate On The Sabbath Once And For All
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OK everybody go back an edit yer post to Mrs. Obvious.
too funny.. but thanks for correcting this.
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Indeed it will.
1 Samuel 15:22 Samuel said,
"Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices
As in obeying the voice of the LORD?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to heed than the fat of rams.
It's quite clear that keeping the written commandments from God are less important to God than keeping the direct, personal commandments from God.
Rom. 8:14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
John 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
The true Sabbath, the Sabbath God wants us to keep, is in actuality, worshiping God 24/7. That is the true observance of the Sabbath.
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I think you missed the mark on this all together. The two are not contrasted against each other.Indeed it will.
1 Samuel 15:22 Samuel said,
"Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices
As in obeying the voice of the LORD?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to heed than the fat of rams.
It's quite clear that keeping the written commandments from God are less important to God than keeping the direct, personal commandments from God.
Rom. 8:14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
John 4:23 "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
The true Sabbath, the Sabbath God wants us to keep, is in actuality, worshiping God 24/7. That is the true observance of the Sabbath.
The point is about observing 'without' a contrite heart. You would understand it better in this term maybe? That, works without faith is vanity.
It's the counterpart to 'faith without works is dead', not faith at all. Because you have not proved it by your deeds.
Samuel was identifying, "what good would it do for you to sacrifice and observe the commands of God, if you don't obey him in your heart?" What good would going to church and raising my arms and praying all the liturgical prayers, staying after and helping those with needs, offer time to do chores around the sanctuary, and then get in my car while I speed and run red lights and curse out my window at others, cutting them off. All the while displaying a fish on my car.
THAT would be an example of what Samuel the prophet was talking to Israel about. Doing the things of God but treating Gods children with contempt and hatred.
Like offering the word of Salvation and the Good News to those who need it, but lording yourself over them in an ungodly way. What good would it do to shove the message of the Lord down someones throat and say, YOU MUST eat or you will die.... as they fight you tooth and nail because your oversteping your authority and bounds. Your love is devoid in the giving of the message.
THIS is the point of Samuels statement.
Or would you really teach others that a Prophet of God was telling Gods children it was worthless to observe the Torah given by God?
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When all is said and done.. the Lord of the Sabbath will still reign and those in His Kingdom will still observe to live and learn His wisdom..
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This Thread Will End All Debate On The Sabbath Once And For All
Well, OK.
As long as this thread has been going on and on and on....
Is it done yet?
Lets stick a fork in it and call it done.
Well, OK.
As long as this thread has been going on and on and on....
Is it done yet?
Lets stick a fork in it and call it done.
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Let's not and say we didThis Thread Will End All Debate On The Sabbath Once And For All
Well, OK.
As long as this thread has been going on and on and on....
Is it done yet?
Lets stick a fork in it and call it done.
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This Thread Will End All Debate On The Sabbath Once And For All
Doesn't appear it did
http://www.christianforums.com/t7538155/
The problem Jesus had with the Sabbath...
Doesn't appear it did
http://www.christianforums.com/t7538155/
The problem Jesus had with the Sabbath...
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This Thread Will End All Debate On The Sabbath Once And For All
Doesn't appear it did
http://www.christianforums.com/t7538155/
The problem Jesus had with the Sabbath...
Still keeping it alive I see
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Naw my buddy is just bored and this topic brings lots action and LLoJ lovesStill keeping it alive I see
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Thks a lot bro!Naw my buddy is just bored and this topic brings lots action and LLoJ loves
Matt 24:19 "Woe yet to those in belly having and to those suckling in those the days!
20 "Be ye praying yet that no may be becoming the flight of ye of winter neither a sabbath.
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You'd think this would end the Sabbath debate once and for all:
Col 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
When Scripture point blank tells you to do as you feel led & to let others do the same, you would think that settles it. But...obviously not....
Col 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
When Scripture point blank tells you to do as you feel led & to let others do the same, you would think that settles it. But...obviously not....
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Moreover when Scripture commands you not to judge anyone else regarding these festivals and days, you would think that woud settle it. Isn't our fallen nature wonderful?
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What an interesting thread...
I just got thru 40 posts about a gnostic record as proof...
I just got thru 40 posts about a gnostic record as proof...
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