When a believer commits a sin

[Christownsme]

When I commit a sin, I think the first person on the scene is the Holy Spirit, although I may not realize it at first. The Holy Spirit prays for me in utterances too deep for words. I believe He prays during and after I commit a sin as a believer. And already in my heart I have a sense that

"Hey, what I'm doing is either wrong or it doesn't feel right. I don't want to sin against God. That's not my intent here. But I chose to give into my lust."

Right after this positive movement of the Holy Spirit, the devil may come in and condemn me. He tells me God is angry with me, and that this is the guilt given to me from God.

Wow. I've got to choose life here at this point. I either accept the forgiveness I know is mine thru Christ Jesus, pray my weaknesses to Him, and reconcile my relationship thru speaking truth to myself against the devil's lies, or just go on sulking in the devil's game.

It's so easy to fall prey to Satan, but I believe that as we believe God's promises in the good times, we can depend on His promises in the bad times.

Just my experiences.

 

[TheSeedofDavid]

You should really back up your philosophies with scripture, so they're not philosophies.

 

[Christownsme]

You should really back up your philosophies with scripture, so they're not philosophies.

Show me the philosophy and I'll attempt at telling you how the Holy Spirit talks to me.

I can't show you scripture but for a few of those things that happen. But the Holy Spirit inside me speaks to me personally on how He is working inside me.

Don't be limited in your approach to how the Spirit speaks to a person. He doesn't just speak Scripture by verse. He also speaks to us in a thematic way concerning the overall Christ by His finished work on the cross. He speaks all truth to us. And just because you can't back it all up with a verse, it's not necessarily philosophy, because truth is about the overall understanding theme of who God is from the Bible. Only the Holy Spirit can enlighten a person about this type of knowledge.

 

[TheSeedofDavid]

The bible is clear:

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

So if you can't show me scriptures to back up what you're saying then there's no truth in you.

 

[Christownsme]

I'll attempt to work thru the scriptures the best I can to back my hearing of the Holy Spirit up:

When I commit a sin, (I John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.) I think the first person on the scene is the Holy Spirit, although I may not realize it at first. The Holy Spirit prays for me in utterances too deep for words. I believe He prays during and after I commit a sin as a believer. (Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our imfirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.) And already in my heart I have a sense that

"Hey, what I'm doing is either wrong or it doesn't feel right. I don't want to sin against God. That's not my intent here. But I chose to give into my lust."

(Romans 7:15-25 read for yourself)

Right after this positive movement of the Holy Spirit, the devil may come in and condemn me. (I Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour) He tells me God is angry with me, and that this is the guilt given to me from God. (I Peter 5:9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.)

Wow. I've got to choose life here at this point. (I John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.)I either accept the forgiveness I know is mine thru Christ Jesus, (I John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.) pray my weaknesses to Him, (I Peter 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.) and reconcile my relationship thru speaking truth to myself against the devil's lies, (Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked) or just go on sulking in the devil's game. (I Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.)

It's so easy to fall prey to Satan, but I believe that as we believe God's promises in the good times, we can depend on His promises in the bad times.
(Job 13:15 Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him; but I will maintain mine own ways before him.)

 

[Christownsme]

I'll ask you, why are you so easily questioning whether I'm a believer or not (and I am) when you could be spending all this time edifying me, a poor soul, a hurt sinner along his way? Wasn't this "proof" a waste of time? It reminds me of the good Samaritan when the first two people passed the victim by.

 

[Christownsme]

BTW, I'm not here to prove to anyone I'm a Christian or not. I'd let God be the judge of that.

 

[TheSeedofDavid]

You mentioned a lot of sin, lets see what it is:

1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Sin is transgression of the law, so lets see who the law was given to:

Exd 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
Exd 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and [how] I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
Exd 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine:

So the covenant was made with israel, and hence the only people who can sin are israelites, so that begs the question, are you an israelite? If not you need not worry about sin.

Also I deal with scriptures, and the holy ghost doesn't speak to you man, it unlocks understanding in your mind, of the scriptures. That's why you don't know what you're on about talking about sin.

 

[TheSeedofDavid]

Dude I aint judging whether you're a christian or not yet anyway, theres a simple way to check. What does Jesus look like?

 

[Christownsme]

You mentioned a lot of sin, lets see what it is:

1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Sin is transgression of the law, so lets see who the law was given to:

Exd 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
Exd 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and [how] I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
Exd 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine:

So the covenant was made with israel, and hence the only people who can sin are israelites, so that begs the question, are you an israelite? If not you need not worry about sin.

Also I deal with scriptures, and the holy ghost doesn't speak to you man, it unlocks understanding in your mind, of the scriptures. That's why you don't know what you're on about talking about sin.

Gentiles rebel against God too, from their understanding of God thru creation (Romans 1 I think). Gentile or Jew, we were all dead in sin and trespasses when Jesus died for our sins.

 

[Christownsme]

Dude I aint judging whether you're a christian or not yet anyway, theres a simple way to check. What does Jesus look like?

I don't look like Jesus. I will struggle with sin for the rest of my life. I won't look like Jesus until I am completely changed into his image.

 

[Christownsme]

I still don't agree with you that if you're not an Israelite you don't have to worry about sin. Gentiles have been grafted as a wild olive branch to the original vine. Paul speaks the Gospel of Jesus Christ mainly to Gentiles, for that was his calling from Jesus. And sin is a big topic all throughout the theological book of Romans. Walk in the Spirit and you will not fulfill the desires of the flesh....For the wages of sin is death. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

In short, there is nothing special about being a Jew over a Gentile once you've accepted the good news of Jesus Christ. Before that, the Jew had an advantage.. the oracles of God were entrusted to the Jews. And the Gentiles lived outside the law. But as God draws all men to himself, because that was his plan from the beginning thru the Jews for the whole world (most of the Jews rejected the true Jesus Christ Messiah) God then demonstrates His love for all who trust and put their faith in the finished work of Jesus at the cross.

 

[TheSeedofDavid]

The gentiles grafted in were israelite foreigners, theres no change between the old and new testaments, why would Jesus randomly let in other nations?

Mat 10:5 ¶ These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Go not into the way of the gentile, and he says don't go into the city of the samaritans because pursuing to kings they're not israelites, they just heathens that got places there by the assyrians.

Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Jesus was only dealing with israel, the good news was only for israel, and the grafting in was only for israel. Didn't you know that there were loads of israelite foreigners around the time of christ, his mission other than dying for the sins of israel was to bring them back into the fold:

Jhn 11:51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

That nation being israel, more:

Jhn 11:52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

The children of god, which are the israelites, and you know they're scattered pursuing to deuteronomy 28:

Deu 28:64 ¶ And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, [even] wood and stone.

Scattered for breaking the laws statues and commandments of the most high, which happened chiefly in 70AD when a million jews fled from roman persecution into africa.

You don't know the scriptures man, how does this make sense if he's coming for gentiles:

Jhn 7:35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?

How can he go to the dispersed gentiles, among the gentiles. Obviously there are two types of gentile. An israelite foreigner and a straight heathen.

 

[Christownsme]

How can anyone explain John 3:16 with this idea? I admit, then, that I came from straight heathen background. Maybe even barbaric. But by the grace God offers the world thru John 3:16, I take my stand of faith that Jesus died for my sins too.

Furthermore, in Romans 15:9-12

And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name. And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people. And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him all ye people. And again Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

or Romans 9:30-32

What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

The whole theme is that God gives grace to any individual who humbles himself in faith of our Savior Jesus Christ, and it's not accredited to those who are of works of the law which is not of faith.

 

[TheSeedofDavid]

I was waiting for the life saver, John 3:16, lemme burst that bubble. You should know in the greek new testament that the english translation comes from there are 3 words for world, one is aiōn which is used of the endlessness of time and how the world is without end. oikoumenē which is used of the whole world and kosmos which is used of an arrangement or select group. The word there for world in john 3:16 is kosmos, and the arrangement or select group it's talking about is obviously israel, if so why would christ say:

Jhn 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

and also:

1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Obviously god doesn't love the whole world, and neither did jesus die for their sins:

Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Key word being his people, because jesus was an israelite from the tribe of judah, in the holy line of david.

 

[Christownsme]

read my edited post about the gentiles

 

[TheSeedofDavid]

The gentiles he's talking about are israelite foreigners not heathens, I already told you that.

 

[Christownsme]

I've got a Greek Hebrew bible, too. In mine the "World" John was referring to is marked with an **
I. The order of the universe
A. The universe, heavens and earth, the inhabitants of the earth
B. The earth, this lower world as the abode of man
1. people of this abode of man
2. inhabitants of the earth, men, mankind**
C. The Jewish world, as opposed to the kingdom of Christ


Note C. John 3:16 speaks of the earth, this lower world as the abode of man, the inhabitants of the earth, men, and mankind. NOT C, the Jewish world which is different than the kingdom of Christ!

 

[Christownsme]

Jewish heritage means nothing. Mankind, all of it, is saved by grace, by repenting of your view of God and your sins thru faith in Christ.. HOW IS A TRUE GENTILE SUPPOSED TO BE SAVED, THEN, IN YOUR OPINION? I say thru grace by faith in God's only Son Jesus Christ.

 

[TheSeedofDavid]

You don't know your greek, the word kosmos comes from komizō which means to care for or adorn, Israel is the adornment of the most high, he took care of them and set them up as his people, it never refers to the world or universe, the word for the whole world is oikumene as i said before.

And other nations aren't going to be saved:

Jhn 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

So not everyone is getting salvation, and the bible doesn't contradict itself.