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CF Election Game: The Vote

Which party is your first choice to lead the new government of the Republic of CF?

  • Social Equality and Justice (Mzungu)

  • Federalist (Panzerkampfwagen)

  • Common Sense Party (Jayem)

  • Liberty (Callmemurph)

  • The Peoples' Christian Party (Dawiyd)

  • The Democratic Socialist Party (WiredSpirit)

  • Hawk Party (Chris81)


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I need to found my own party, even if it will not show up in the poll:


Name of Party: GAIA (Green Anarchists International Association)


Approximate Political Category: Green anarchism/ Deep Ecology/ Social Ecology

National Security (Internal and External): On a larger scale, the use of force only serves to treat the symptoms of social wrongs, but not their causes. As such, it is a necessary evil in protecting citizens from harm, but contributes little to an actual solution.
The best way to keep desperate refugees from poor countries from trying to cross into our own (as in the case of Africans trying to enter the EU and Mexicans doing the same in the US) is to end the neo-colonialist exploitation of their countries of origin. Far too many countries have been reduced to mere thralls to the World Bank or some multinational corporations, and are independent in name only.
"Pre-emptive strikes", meaning military invasions of foreign territories without due cause, are illegal. We must deal with the aftereffects of the neo-con policies and try our best to help the Iraqi and Afghan population recuperate from the war - but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't withdraw our troops at the earliest opportunity.
The Guantanamo camp will be closed. It was a very obvious attempt at violating the very principles of law that have made the US a free country and a paragon of Western democracy to begin with.

Education and Health Care:
Education and Scientific Research must be our top priority. The best way to ascertain social justice is to make sure that a top-rate education is no longer an exclusive privilege or rich kids and a few working class geniuses that are funded so that the rich can feel better about keeping the poor people out for the most part.
Research needs more government funding in order to be truly independent. Privately funded projects will always tend to exhibit some unavoidable bias towards producing exactly the results the investor desires. Furthermore, we need to invest in research into renewable energy sources, for obvious reasons.

Universal health care is mandatory. It's insufferable that a wealthy nation does not take care of its citizens, and leaves people to suffer and die because they cannot pay for treatment on their own. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link, and thus, it is our moral duty to contribute to the well-being of our neighbours.
Furthermore, economic interests and public health do not go well together. The first focuses on profit maximization, the second on the welfare of patients - and those two are very often at odds with each other.

Social Issues: Social legislation should be kept to an absolute minimum, and social values are the domain of individuals and/or communities. If religion X feels that their members ought not to eat oysters, they are free not to buy and eat them, but that doesn't mean that all oysters are henceforth prohibited and mustn't be sold. The same applies to sexual taboos and so forth. The law is only concerned with protecting people from harm - and in most cases, social or religious taboos do not fall into that category.

Transport and Utilities: No natural monopoly should ever be in private hands, lest the owner exploits his position to milk those who depend upon it.
Public transportation ought to be owned by communities, as again, profit maximization and public interests tend to be at odds with each other. Furthermore, public transportations needs to become more attractive, losing its social stigma.

The Economy, Businesses, and Jobs: As it is, international politics are dominated by undemocratic institutions like the WTO, the IMF and the World Bank, while international banks and corporations concentrate more power in their hands than most states.
In light of our technological possibilities, globalization is unavoidable, but we need to keep the market under democratic control, ascertaining that the monetary elite does not abuse its power to exploit those who are less powerful. Any full-time job should result in a wage that makes life sustainable, and "sweat shops" need to be combated. It is important to guide the market in a direction where long-term sustainability becomes a factor again, instead of proliferating a system that focuses on short-term profits and the least possible ethical standard. Right now, the most ruthless and unethical corporations are those with the largest profit margin, and those who act in the most responsible fashion are the ones that suffer.

Other: Environmental concerns are (naturally) important to GAIA, but we do not believe that coercion by force could ever render the desired results. Instead, we must seek to educate people, to make investing into eco-tech more attractive to companies, and to stop major corporations from acting against the interests of local communities.

The Social Equality and Justice party agrees with all of GAIA's policies and is willing to make concessions in order to form a coalition together with the Social Democratic party. There is more that we have in common than what divides us.

Let all people stand in insolence to the one's who wish to enslave us in spiritual and economic bondage.

Let no state or institution be allowed to rob our children and future generations of a healthy ecology and environment.

We are the custodians of the only place we can call a home; A tiny blue Gem called Gaia. She is our mother and as such is due our utmost respect and protection.

EDUCATION, HEALTH CARE, SECURITY and FREEDOM! We shall never tire of accenting the need for all four!

LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION!
 
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Once again Fox News gets it wrong...

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Which would, I think, translate to public, not private, institutions. The NHS, for instance, is (in theory) open to everyone - while a privatised healthcare system, such as the US has (or had), would prohibit medicine to those who can afford it. It wouldn't be liberating healthcare for everyone.

How would a privatized healthcare system prohibit medicine to those who can afford it? Government intervention is what makes healthcare as expensive as it is.
 
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How would a privatized healthcare system prohibit medicine to those who can afford it? Government intervention is what makes healthcare as expensive as it is.
In the US, if I can't afford a life-saving operation, I die. In the UK, if I can't afford a life-saving operation, the cost is covered by the state. Obviously it's more complex than that, but that's the basic difference between socialised and privatised healthcare: the former is healthcare for all, regardless of whether you can afford it or not, while the latter is healthcare for only those who can afford it. That said, let's not derail the thread :)
 
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In the US, if I can't afford a life-saving operation, I die. In the UK, if I can't afford a life-saving operation, the cost is covered by the state. Obviously it's more complex than that, but that's the basic difference between socialised and privatised healthcare: the former is healthcare for all, regardless of whether you can afford it or not, while the latter is healthcare for only those who can afford it. That said, let's not derail the thread :)

That is not necessarily true. Some doctors do pro bono work. There are charities that help people as well. I see lots of fund raisers for people in need.
 
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That is not necessarily true. Some doctors do pro bono work. There are charities that help people as well. I see lots of fund raisers for people in need.
Ah, the wonders of a socialist mindset; doctors helping all people out of charity, rather than helping the rich out of greed :p.
 
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Ah, the wonders of a socialist mindset; doctors helping all people out of charity, rather than helping the rich out of greed :p.

There is no charity in socialism. Forcing people to give their money for the good of others is not charity, it is theft. Giving to help someone is good, stealing to help someone isn't. People who are greedy with their own money are bad enough, people who are greedy with other people's money are even worse.
 
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There is no charity in socialism. Forcing people to give their money for the good of others is not charity, it is theft.
Governments call it 'taxation'. A rose by any other name...

Giving to help someone is good, stealing to help someone isn't. People who are greedy with their own money are bad enough, people who are greedy with other people's money are even worse.
Some call it theft, others call it redistribution of wealth. I am completely in favour of stripping Madonna of her excess billions if it ends poverty and suffering in Africa.
 
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I am completely in favour of stripping Madonna of her excess billions if it ends poverty and suffering in Africa.

Would you be completely in favor of people stripping you of all your money to end poverty for a few people?

If you want to blame Madonna for her excess millions perhaps you should blame everyone that decided to give her those millions as well.
 
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Would you be completely in favor of people stripping you of all your money to end poverty for a few people?
In Chile the Government sold ALL the country's water resources to private owners. Every lake and river, and pond belongs to private companies. The result is that people have to pay incredibly expensive prices for water!

This is what the Libertarians want to do to your country. Only they do not intend to stop there; They want to do what Chile did with the water resources, with every single thing that can be sold.

In Greece when daycare centres and highway toll posts were privatised, the price of the service shot sky high! Municipal run day care centres = 30 Euros per month per child. After privatisation: Private day care centres = 200-300 Euros per month per child!

We as a Party of CF are not willing to allow such greed to bleed our people,

LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION!
 
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Would you be completely in favor of people stripping you of all your money to end poverty for a few people?
If it ended all suffering, yes. If I had excessive amounts of cash, yes.
But I never said we should strip Madonna of all her wealth and reduce her to the poverty we're trying to solve - I explicitly said excess wealth. There's nothing wrong with living comfortably.

If you want to blame Madonna for her excess millions perhaps you should blame everyone that decided to give her those millions as well.
I'm not blaming anyone. I'm simply saying I'd rather Madonna's excess billions be redistributed to end poverty and suffering in Africa, to the extent that 'theft' (aka, taxation) would be justified.
 
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In Chile the Government sold ALL the country's water resources to private owners. Every lake and river, and pond belongs to private companies. The result is that people have to pay incredibly expensive prices for water!

This is what the Libertarians want to do to your country. Only they do not intend to stop there; They want to do what Chile did with the water resources, with every single thing that can be sold.

In Greece when daycare centres and highway toll posts were privatised, the price of the service shot sky high!

We as a Party of CF are not willing to allow such greed to bleed our people,

LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION!

The Social Equality and Justice Party wants the government to have monopoly control over these resources. Corrupt governments that have such control will then use it to sell to private people, this is what the Social Equality and Justice Party wants.
 
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The Social Equality and Justice Party wants the government to have monopoly control over these resources. Corrupt governments that have such control will then use it to sell to private people, this is what the Social Equality and Justice Party wants.

What is "the government"?

I agree that legal representatives of the people are not automatically better than private holders of a natural monopoly, but ideally speaking, democratic controls will enable the people to get rid of corrupt officials, whereas private owners cannot be reined in at all. They dictate the price, and that's it.

While we're at it, I propose that we introduce a greater measure of truly democratic structures into the way we govern ourselves. It just won't do to vote every four years for one of two possible candidates, and then watch for that whole period without any way of influencing decisions directly.
Instead of letting lobbyists control the day-to-day workings of our administrative institutions, I propose that we break up as many power monopolies as possible. Decentralization is essential, for else some corrupt official who's never set foot in a community can determine its fate with a flick of his pen.

And with our communication technology, things have changed profoundly, anyway. Most of our administrations are still built around structures that were necessary back in the day when news traveled slowly.
 
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I agree that legal representatives of the people are not automatically better than private holders of a natural monopoly, but ideally speaking, democratic controls will enable the people to get rid of corrupt officials, whereas private owners cannot be reined in at all. They dictate the price, and that's it.

Not exactly. Market controls will enable people to get rid of greedy companies. If prices are not fair then you can "vote" by not buying them. They may dictate the price but you dictate whether or not they get the price they ask for. If the price is too high people won't but it. You vote with your bank account.

When there is competition there are other choices. Companies have to be competitive otherwise they will go out of business. Monopoly of resources, which government control is, limits choice.

While we're at it, I propose that we introduce a greater measure of truly democratic structures into the way we govern ourselves. It just won't do to vote every four years for one of two possible candidates, and then watch for that whole period without any way of influencing decisions directly.
Instead of letting lobbyists control the day-to-day workings of our administrative institutions, I propose that we break up as many power monopolies as possible. Decentralization is essential, for else some corrupt official who's never set foot in a community can determine its fate with a flick of his pen.

I agree that we should decentralize.
 
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Not exactly. Market controls will enable people to get rid of greedy companies. If prices are not fair then you can "vote" by not buying them. They may dictate the price but you dictate whether or not they get the price they ask for. If the price is too high people won't but it. You vote with your bank account.

When there is competition there are other choices. Companies have to be competitive otherwise they will go out of business. Monopoly of resources, which government control is, limits choice.



I agree that we should decentralize.
This has been proven not true. Companies form cartels whereby they all agree to hike prices and there is nothing one can do about it. This leaves the consumer no choice but to buy at whatever price the cartels have set.

Libertarian free market style capitalism has not only failed but is the root cause of the global economic crisis.

We will introduce regulation back into the banking industry and monopolies and cartels will be dealt with fines such as to force them to stop their greedy activities.

LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION!
 
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Ar Cosc, what happens if there is a tie?

Well, after the polls close, all the parties are welcome to try and form a coalition, if no party has an overall majority. The chances of there being a dead heat with all the permutations of different coalition parties there are are pretty slim, and usually, one of the smaller parties on one side will be willing to do a deal with the other, to get some influence in government.
 
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This has been proven not true. Companies form cartels whereby they all agree to hike prices and there is nothing one can do about it. This leaves the consumer no choice but to buy at whatever price the cartels have set.

Sure there is a choice. Don't buy it or start your own company and sell it at a reasonable price.

Libertarian free market style capitalism has not only failed but is the root cause of the global economic crisis.

We will introduce regulation back into the banking industry and monopolies and cartels will be dealt with fines such as to force them to stop their greedy activities.

LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION!

YouTube - Ron Paul: The Entire Economic System is Subprime
 
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