First Computer You've Owned?

[higherFaith]

Software Selection, Software Development, and It works.

Software selection: I cannot get a CLI anywhere near worthwhile on Windows. Everything is graphical.
Software development: I used to develop on Windows, it's horrid. Wouldn't go back to it for all of Bill Gate's money.
It works: Nope actually it doesn't. Because it disables CLI you have to click about randomly and hope the tools do the job you need. It doesn't store text configuration files for editing like UNIX systems do, which means you have to use hacks and workarounds.

I really do hate to disagree, but Windows, aside from games, is horrible. But do keep in mind, when you enjoy 1080p graphics running wireless from Blu-ray on a PS3, your using UNIX.

 

[DeathMagus]

It works: Nope actually it doesn't. Because it disables CLI you have to click about randomly and hope the tools do the job you need.

Obviously if you don't know what the tools actually do, you would be just as lost as someone dumped in a terminal with no knowledge of the CLI commands for that OS.

 

[Willtor]

Why not? Wine works with a surprisingly large amount of big titles. I've been playing Fallout New Vegas through Wine since I got it on Christmas. Works almost flawlessly. World of Warcraft works perfectly, as does SC2. A lot of Valve games work under it as well.

Perhaps I spoke out of turn. I had a bad experience with Wine when I tried it with Splinter Cell and Morrowind a few years ago without success.

 

[sdmsanjose]

Originally Posted by sdmsanjose http://www.christianforums.com/t7484084-12/#post56479769
That was my first also.

In 1995 I got a Windows 95 Gateway, Pentium 166, 16 MB RAM, CDROM
I thought that I would never need a bigger better computer.

Between 2000-2008 I had Gateway and Dell Windows 98 and XP
Office 2000 and 2003, Pentium 3 and 4-dual core


In 2010 I got a Gateway DX4831-01e
2.93GHz Intel Core i3 530
6GB DDR3 SDRAM
32MB (shared) Intel GMA HD integrated graphics chip
1TB, 7,200rpm Western Digital HD
Windows 7
Office 2010


Frankly for my use I see no great difference from the 2008, Pentium 4-dual core and the Intel Core i3 530.

I have not got use to the Office Word 2010 yet. Right now I like office 2003 better.
Why does everyone use Windows?

Well in my case when I got my first computer it was mandated by my work that it be IBM compatible and not Apple-Mac. Of course all the IBM compatibles that I knew about had windows and the HUD industry I work in (Government connected) all used windows.

Now that I have learned to use a portion of Windows I do not want a change that would result in me making a lot of mistakes before I got used to it. I am no youngster and I am no computer wizard, just barely able to use the computer for my work (Hud-software, Internet, MS Office suite) and music, pictures and videos at home.

Actually I wished that I was good with the Mac as I hate virus programs and with a Mac I here that a virus is very unlikely. They tell me that 90% of virus and other problems are in Windows.

You guys got to remember that we older dudes look for the easiest way to use computers and get overwhelmed easily.

 

[mzungu]

MACs treat users are like Taliban treat their women women; "Hide or be shot".

I have been using computers since the Sinclair ZX80 and yet last year I tried out a MAC and could not even surf the WEB?? EVERYTHING WAS HIDDEN????

I have win 7 x 64 with Classic Shell installed and Also have installed Classic menus on Office 2007. This way I get the best of both worlds.

I do mainly 3D cad and Gaming!

I have nothing but Respect for Linux and HATE MACs! Apple is nothing more than a SNOBBISH company that appeals to Snobs! (not that everyone who owns a MAC is a snob)!

I remember in 1987; I used a Mac Emulator on my Atari 1040 STFM and it run MAC software 30% faster than an original MAC. Not to mention the fact that at that time no PC could match my Atari's performance

Long live the ANONYMOUS

 

[higherFaith]

Obviously if you don't know what the tools actually do, you would be just as lost as someone dumped in a terminal with no knowledge of the CLI commands for that OS.

I know how to use the tools on Windows, but when you come from doing everything through commands, bit of a pain to have to click.

MACs treat users are like Taliban treat their women women; "Hide or be shot".

I have been using computers since the Sinclair ZX80 and yet last year I tried out a MAC and could not even surf the WEB?? EVERYTHING WAS HIDDEN????

I have win 7 x 64 with Classic Shell installed and Also have installed Classic menus on Office 2007. This way I get the best of both worlds.

I do mainly 3D cad and Gaming!

I have nothing but Respect for Linux and HATE MACs! Apple is nothing more than a SNOBBISH company that appeals to Snobs! (not that everyone who owns a MAC is a snob)!

I remember in 1987; I used a Mac Emulator on my Atari 1040 STFM and it run MAC software 30% faster than an original MAC. Not to mention the fact that at that time no PC could match my Atari's performance

Long live the ANONYMOUS

The Mac OS is built on BSD UNIX. I have not used a Mac (even display models), but due to it's being built on BSD UNIX and having BASH for a shell, I would imagine there are a few hacks and workarounds you can use to get it working the way you want it to.

 

[DeathMagus]

I know how to use the tools on Windows, but when you come from doing everything through commands, bit of a pain to have to click.

I see. When you said "randomly clicking" I figured that someone who knew what they were doing wouldn't click randomly. Yes, a command line is faster than a GUI, but only on select applications. I shudder to consider a command-line image/audio/video editor.

 

[higherFaith]

I shudder to consider a command-line image/audio/video editor.

Used a type of image and audio editor on CLI. Both did the job faster and better than using a GUI.

 

[oi_antz]

Why does everyone use Windows?

Want to unleash a monster?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I think that is why most of those Windoze users stick up for it. I've been truly frustrated to the point of daily complaint from using Windoze 7 after having used Ubuntu for three years, they finally allowed me to install Ubuntu and that shut me up. Happy as Larry now, nothing the Ubuntu devs have done seems stupid at all but almost everything you want to do in Windoze is annoying. Like, why can't you drag and drop favourite folders into the left column in Common Item Dialog's, instead you have to edit the registry and then you can only have 5!! - That means a lot more clicking to get places. Don't they care about how hard it is to use this piece of glory OS??

And no, it doesn't "just work", I had major problems with SVN and file permissions which I just couldn't get to work. And weird javascript errors that boiled down to an out-of-date flash player - another problem of such an anarchic software distribution model compared to the repository model. The SVN problem was the last straw, even with folders writeable by "Everyone" it still complained that it couldn't write the file, and when I installed SVN on Ubuntu, THAT "just worked".

Windoze isn't suited at all to using a computer the most productive way, it's great for a novice to open a browser and print a PDF - but which OS isn't good at those mundane things? Furthermore, XP was much easier to use than 7, but had serious registry bloat and startup lag. Then there's Internet Explorer which is the most reliable hindrance in web development. It seems everything MS does is just annoying and if I didn't understand the mechanics which compromise resourcing due to budget constraints, I would tend to believe my suspicion that they do this intentionally just to make life difficult. They do make nice mice though I must admit I would not hesitate to use one.

My conclusion to that question why people still use Windoze - if it's not for a specific app (games, Adobe multimedia software etc), then I guess it's just a bad habit, a lack of enlightenment and not knowing the truth that there is a better quality product that is free.

 

[mzungu]

Want to unleash a monster?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I think that is why most of those Windoze users stick up for it. I've been truly frustrated to the point of daily complaint from using Windoze 7 after having used Ubuntu for three years, they finally allowed me to install Ubuntu and that shut me up. Happy as Larry now, nothing the Ubuntu devs have done seems stupid at all but almost everything you want to do in Windoze is annoying. Like, why can't you drag and drop favourite folders into the left column in Common Item Dialog's, instead you have to edit the registry and then you can only have 5!! - That means a lot more clicking to get places. Don't they care about how hard it is to use this piece of glory OS??

And no, it doesn't "just work", I had major problems with SVN and file permissions which I just couldn't get to work. And weird javascript errors that boiled down to an out-of-date flash player - another problem of such an anarchic software distribution model compared to the repository model. The SVN problem was the last straw, even with folders writeable by "Everyone" it still complained that it couldn't write the file, and when I installed SVN on Ubuntu, THAT "just worked".

Windoze isn't suited at all to using a computer the most productive way, it's great for a novice to open a browser and print a PDF - but which OS isn't good at those mundane things? Furthermore, XP was much easier to use than 7, but had serious registry bloat and startup lag. Then there's Internet Explorer which is the most reliable hindrance in web development. It seems everything MS does is just annoying and if I didn't understand the mechanics which compromise resourcing due to budget constraints, I would tend to believe my suspicion that they do this intentionally just to make life difficult. They do make nice mice though I must admit I would not hesitate to use one.

My conclusion to that question why people still use Windoze - if it's not for a specific app (games, Adobe multimedia software etc), then I guess it's just a bad habit, a lack of enlightenment and not knowing the truth that there is a better quality product that is free.

Actually it all boils down to the business computers using MS OS's. The commercial sector is very touchy when it comes to replacing their operating systems. Not only does it cost them money but it also costs them time to retrain their personnel to learn to use other systems. Had Linux been there before DOS then the standard today would be Linux!

BFBC2 Rules!!!!!!

 

[higherFaith]

Want to unleash a monster?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I think that is why most of those Windoze users stick up for it. I've been truly frustrated to the point of daily complaint from using Windoze 7 after having used Ubuntu for three years, they finally allowed me to install Ubuntu and that shut me up. Happy as Larry now, nothing the Ubuntu devs have done seems stupid at all but almost everything you want to do in Windoze is annoying. Like, why can't you drag and drop favourite folders into the left column in Common Item Dialog's, instead you have to edit the registry and then you can only have 5!! - That means a lot more clicking to get places. Don't they care about how hard it is to use this piece of glory OS??

And no, it doesn't "just work", I had major proble...

...doze - if it's not for a specific app (games, Adobe multimedia software etc), then I guess it's just a bad habit, a lack of enlightenment and not knowing the truth that there is a better quality product that is free.

Okay let me stop you there. Ubuntu is like Fedora, bloated with useless code and Microsoft technology. Ubuntu to me, is just as bad. At least Fedora is more open. Before you try to contradict me, look at what Tomboy was written in. That's right, .NET and C#.

 

[Willtor]

MACs treat users are like Taliban treat their women women; "Hide or be shot".

I have been using computers since the Sinclair ZX80 and yet last year I tried out a MAC and could not even surf the WEB?? EVERYTHING WAS HIDDEN????

I have win 7 x 64 with Classic Shell installed and Also have installed Classic menus on Office 2007. This way I get the best of both worlds.

I do mainly 3D cad and Gaming!

I have nothing but Respect for Linux and HATE MACs! Apple is nothing more than a SNOBBISH company that appeals to Snobs! (not that everyone who owns a MAC is a snob)!

I remember in 1987; I used a Mac Emulator on my Atari 1040 STFM and it run MAC software 30% faster than an original MAC. Not to mention the fact that at that time no PC could match my Atari's performance

Long live the ANONYMOUS

You can surf the web on Mac. I'm doing it right now. The default browser is Safari instead of Internet Explorer, but it's still a browser.

Actually, I think Mac OS is excellent in almost every way (with the exception of developing applications for it). And Apple hardware is well designed and reliable. Nevertheless, Apple's business practices are abominable, and I think that when it comes time to retire my MacBook Pro, I won't replace it with another Mac.

We got my wife a netbook and loaded Ubuntu onto it and she thinks it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. So I think Ubuntu is likely to take over our house. I also haven't bought any new games for Windows in years on account of DRM, so Windows is depreciating rapidly.

Want to unleash a monster?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I think that is why most of those Windoze users stick up for it. I've been truly frustrated to the point of daily complaint from using Windoze 7 after having used Ubuntu for three years, they finally allowed me to install Ubuntu and that shut me up. Happy as Larry now, nothing the Ubuntu devs have done seems stupid at all but almost everything you want to do in Windoze is annoying. Like, why can't you drag and drop favourite folders into the left column in Common Item Dialog's, instead you have to edit the registry and then you can only have 5!! - That means a lot more clicking to get places. Don't they care about how hard it is to use this piece of glory OS??

And no, it doesn't "just work", I had major problems with SVN and file permissions which I just couldn't get to work. And weird javascript errors that boiled down to an out-of-date flash player - another problem of such an anarchic software distribution model compared to the repository model. The SVN problem was the last straw, even with folders writeable by "Everyone" it still complained that it couldn't write the file, and when I installed SVN on Ubuntu, THAT "just worked".

Windoze isn't suited at all to using a computer the most productive way, it's great for a novice to open a browser and print a PDF - but which OS isn't good at those mundane things? Furthermore, XP was much easier to use than 7, but had serious registry bloat and startup lag. Then there's Internet Explorer which is the most reliable hindrance in web development. It seems everything MS does is just annoying and if I didn't understand the mechanics which compromise resourcing due to budget constraints, I would tend to believe my suspicion that they do this intentionally just to make life difficult. They do make nice mice though I must admit I would not hesitate to use one.

My conclusion to that question why people still use Windoze - if it's not for a specific app (games, Adobe multimedia software etc), then I guess it's just a bad habit, a lack of enlightenment and not knowing the truth that there is a better quality product that is free.

We used Subversion up until a couple months ago and I hear you with the problems. To be fair, although it works right out of the box on Linux, Subversion for Windows has a lot more issues -- Windows aside. In my experience Cygwin's port is not too bad (though it is easily confused about line endings).

But I definitely agree regarding Linux. Linux is a platform designed by developers for developers. It's almost axiomatic that it makes for a good development environment (the Debian package manager is beautiful). Until the most recent couple of releases of Ubuntu, however, I never would have recommended it to, e.g., my wife.

 

[Dark_Lite]

Perhaps I spoke out of turn. I had a bad experience with Wine when I tried it with Splinter Cell and Morrowind a few years ago without success.

Well, Wine improves exponentially as the years go by. But some games or programs just don't work with it. That's why I always research on the AppDB before I go try running a game or complex application under it. Looks like Morrowind at least has a Gold rating now.

Okay let me stop you there. Ubuntu is like Fedora, bloated with useless code and Microsoft technology. Ubuntu to me, is just as bad. At least Fedora is more open. Before you try to contradict me, look at what Tomboy was written in. That's right, .NET and C#.

To be fair, Microsoft actually did submit (most of) the CLR as a standard to the ECMA. That's why Mono exists. Mono is how Linux runs .NET, and it's sponsored by Novell. Microsoft, aside from designing the language, has very little if anything to do with the Mono project.

The problem arises with the technologies that aren't part of the standard, such as the System.Windows namespaces. Core .NET technologies like WPF, WCF, Silverlight DRM, etc are not part of the standard. Quite a few of them are implemented by Mono anyway, but some are not. It's likely that Microsoft's agreement with Novell is the only thing protecting the existence of those technologies. If Microsoft really wanted to, they could probably pressure the Mono implementations out of existence.

Down with Windows Forms. Up with Gtk#! It's not actually hard to make a .NET program that runs equally well under Mono and .NET, but many developers seem to fail mightily at this. Wizards of the Coast is probably the best example. First they have a .NET-based character generator. Only works on Windows. Then they remake it in Silverlight for "platform independence." Still doesn't work with Moonlight. Quite amazing.

.NET's problem is that Microsoft doesn't market it as a platform-independent language, nor do they make an effort to make it platform-independent. This is in contrast to Java, which was specifically designed to be platform-independent.

 

[DeathMagus]

Used a type of image and audio editor on CLI. Both did the job faster and better than using a GUI.

I suspect you are glossing over some details here. You're saying it's simpler to type in the commands to select a brush of a certain hardness and radius, and have it travel in a spline curve you calculated and input into the CLI command? Rather than simply typing in a radius, tab, hardness, then dragging the brush wherever you want to?

Same thing for audio editing? Color me skeptical.

Like, why can't you drag and drop favourite folders into the left column in Common Item Dialog's, instead you have to edit the registry and then you can only have 5!! - That means a lot more clicking to get places. Don't they care about how hard it is to use this piece of glory OS??

Are you talking about the quick navigation in save menus to the Desktop, "My Documents", etc? Windows 7 introduced Libraries, which are fully and easily customizable. Granted, Windows introduced them quite late, but your point here seems a bit outdated, especially since you said you'd been using Windows 7.

My conclusion to that question why people still use Windoze - if it's not for a specific app (games, Adobe multimedia software etc), then I guess it's just a bad habit, a lack of enlightenment and not knowing the truth that there is a better quality product that is free.

It is nice to believe that you know best, isn't it, and simply chalk up all disagreement to ignorance? I use Windows, Mac, and various Linux flavors regularly. I use Macs at work, and they're great to use - but I don't like paying massive premiums on hardware for no reason, so I don't buy any for myself. At home, I put Linux on my servers, because that's all they need, and it's free, simple, and "just works" for that application.

Windows allows me to play games and work on most of the same applications I can use at work. Both of these are very important traits in an operating system for me, and Linux simply doesn't deliver. And, honestly, I simply don't encounter problems with Windows that many people seem to have - so it's not worth dual-booting with Linux. The cost benefit ratio simply isn't there. If it finally appears, then I'll switch, no hesitation. I don't pay for the Windows OS because I love doing it - I do it because it's the right tool for my jobs.

 

[charsan2]

First Computer You've Owned?

A commodore 64, still miss it too.

 

[Qyöt27]

I shudder to consider a command-line image/audio/video editor.

ImageMagick, SoX, and AviSynth, respectively (I have zero experience with SoX, some basic grasp of ImageMagick, and have used AviSynth pretty much daily for the last 4 or 5 years, with sporadic experience going back to 2003 or 2004). The first two are canonical CLI frameworks, AviSynth is an NLE scripting language which other GUI and CLI tools can interface with. Unfortunately, while ImageMagick and SoX are cross-platform, AviSynth is Windows-only (although it does run in Wine without much issue, save for a couple of caveats*; version 3.0, which was being designed to be cross-platform, is dead).

*DirectShowSource() doesn't work in Wine because DirectShow itself doesn't work in Wine yet. There's also some issues with plugins that use external libraries (I don't use any of those anyway, so it doesn't really affect me).

It would be masochism to attempt Photoshop or Premiere level editing in such scenarios, though. All of them are much more programmatic than that. Trying to edit a video in AviSynth could drive people insane (I know one or two people who have done so, however; I also could if I was that determined, but I'd waste more time than the project'd be worth).

For basic conversion tasks, I actually prefer CLI solutions since they can be batched with ease. But that's not editing, that's prep or post work.

We used Subversion up until a couple months ago and I hear you with the problems. To be fair, although it works right out of the box on Linux, Subversion for Windows has a lot more issues -- Windows aside. In my experience Cygwin's port is not too bad (though it is easily confused about line endings).

On the compilation front, I use Cygwin's Subversion rather than the 'standard' Windows build, because I share tarballs between my setups and the standard one refused to output Unix line endings at every turn - the resulting source would fail to compile under Linux if I didn't perform a fromdos operation on it. Switched to Cygwin's and the problem disappeared. MSys doesn't care what the line endings are, so I always make sure the source grabbing tools (at least, Subversion and Git; I don't think I've ever really checked what my CVS client uses) output Unix.

I avoid MSVC like the plague.

 

[oi_antz]

Okay let me stop you there. Ubuntu is like Fedora, bloated with useless code and Microsoft technology. Ubuntu to me, is just as bad. At least Fedora is more open. Before you try to contradict me, look at what Tomboy was written in. That's right, .NET and C#.

I'm not out to contradict you nor suggest that Windoze isn't better suited to some things than Linux (whatever reason for that is another debate altogether), I'm just saying, Windoze is very frustrating and Ubuntu isn't. Great, you've found one that you like better, doesn't affect my hard feelings toward those that think Windoze kicks the but of Linux based on market share, which is largely due to consumer ignorance.

Are you talking about the quick navigation in save menus to the Desktop, "My Documents", etc? Windows 7 introduced Libraries, which are fully and easily customizable. Granted, Windows introduced them quite late, but your point here seems a bit outdated, especially since you said you'd been using Windows 7.

Yes I am talking about those, why are they so big that you can't fit more than five there? Are we all so blind that we need such a big icon? I don't like the libraries. I want to drag a shortcut there that I can click straight through to any of my favorite places with a single click rather than double-clicking twice. This is only one particular thing that makes Windoze less pleasant to use than Ubuntu and one that I found to be annoying most frequently. I don't have to put up with it and I am entitled to complain about it. What is annoying is that they just don't seem to care how their decisions affect me, and for some reason they think it is perfectly reasonable that I should suffer for the sake of a ridiculously large icon or the laziness to actually provide scroll bars. I witness the same arrogance in my managers when they say "let the users do it" when it could be automated in less than an hour. I'm a user, MS's budgetary constraints affect me and I don't like that.

Windows allows me to play games and work on most of the same applications I can use at work. Both of these are very important traits in an operating system for me, and Linux simply doesn't deliver.

You do realize why that is don't you? It will be nice when one day Linux is supported by the major software vendors, however as long as the greater majority of people are sucked into the vortex that is proprietary OS, this probably won't improve. It's actually a catch 22 for most people who feel like they can't give up their favorite application to learn a new alternative. I'm like that with Adobe Fireworks over Gimp, I still run a VM occasionally for that one app but it's not enough of a commitment to make me suffer having Windoze as the host OS. Only Digidesign can do that, and I've not had enough time nor interest in that for years anyway.

And, honestly, I simply don't encounter problems with Windows that many people seem to have - so it's not worth dual-booting with Linux. The cost benefit ratio simply isn't there. If it finally appears, then I'll switch, no hesitation. I don't pay for the Windows OS because I love doing it - I do it because it's the right tool for my jobs.

Have you ever had a virus within two weeks of installing a brand new OS? Maybe that will be enough to shove you into the light. That's what did it for me, and by the way I actually donate to my Linux vendor $120 USD per year, that is equivalent if not more than required to keep Windoze updated, and I don't complain. I have no reason to complain, in fact it is a pleasure to support the people who give a toss about usability from my perspective - and they've never had to survey me to find out what I want from an OS.

 

[MPaul]

Ubuntu is the OS used in heaven. Windows is used by Satan in hell. How do I know? When I use Ubuntu I feel like I'm in heaven. When I use Windows I know I am in hell!!!! If I had a dollar for every hour the Windows OS has caused me to waste, I would use it for a vacation touring the entire world.

 

[DeathMagus]

Yes I am talking about those, why are they so big that you can't fit more than five there? Are we all so blind that we need such a big icon? I don't like the libraries. I want to drag a shortcut there that I can click straight through to any of my favorite places with a single click rather than double-clicking twice. This is only one particular thing that makes Windoze less pleasant to use than Ubuntu and one that I found to be annoying most frequently. I don't have to put up with it and I am entitled to complain about it. What is annoying is that they just don't seem to care how their decisions affect me, and for some reason they think it is perfectly reasonable that I should suffer for the sake of a ridiculously large icon or the laziness to actually provide scroll bars. I witness the same arrogance in my managers when they say "let the users do it" when it could be automated in less than an hour. I'm a user, MS's budgetary constraints affect me and I don't like that.

My library currently consists of 6 meta-folders, most of which contain at least two aliases. I can add as many folders to my library as I wish. I'm not sure what you're talking about with "only five".

You do realize why that is don't you? It will be nice when one day Linux is supported by the major software vendors, however as long as the greater majority of people are sucked into the vortex that is proprietary OS, this probably won't improve. It's actually a catch 22 for most people who feel like they can't give up their favorite application to learn a new alternative. I'm like that with Adobe Fireworks over Gimp, I still run a VM occasionally for that one app but it's not enough of a commitment to make me suffer having Windoze as the host OS. Only Digidesign can do that, and I've not had enough time nor interest in that for years anyway.

So I should sit around surfing the web on a Linux box, hoping that one day the devs will smile down upon me and release all of their software for Linux so I can actually get some work done?

Have you ever had a virus within two weeks of installing a brand new OS?

No. I don't allow malicious code to execute on my machine. That's pretty much a no-brainer, especially for anyone smart enough to use a Linux terminal.

That's what did it for me, and by the way I actually donate to my Linux vendor $120 USD per year, that is equivalent if not more than required to keep Windoze updated

Windows doesn't require a subscription for updates. Pay slightly over $100 up front, and receive free updates for the lifetime of the product. Certainly not $120 per year. Are you sure you're talking about Windows here?

 

[dawiyd]

No. I don't allow malicious code to execute on my machine. That's pretty much a no-brainer, especially for anyone smart enough to use a Linux terminal.

You'd be surprised, I can remember once in my youth, so some 8 years ago, I was invited to an IRC channel by an acquaintance... and as a joke... well a but of fun I asked if anybody could test if some code out... well command line, it was either in bash or perl.

Anyway I was being mischievous and it was a fork bomb.

Turned out the IRC Op ran it, not on his home computer... but the IRC server.

Everybody got disconnected, I got banned, but it goes to show there are some people out there (not trying to say you would so something like that at all).