Do you guys think that demons ever miss God or Heaven???
I know that they are evil but at one point and time they did love God and Heaven.
I know that they are evil but at one point and time they did love God and Heaven.
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To imagine they do is to attribute to something that is very other to us our human emotions and feelings.
Could God act in sovereign might to restore all of fallen creation if God so willed-yes God could but if this will ever be so is in Gods hands and knowing not ours.
Certainly this is a subject of literature; it has been used as a vehicle to hide human political agendas and questions about the human condition.
If they do we simply do not know as we are human and they are not.
There are some things we cannot know and this is I think one of them but I am sure God does know.
Could God act in sovereign might to restore all of fallen creation if God so willed-yes God could but if this will ever be so is in Gods hands and knowing not ours.
Certainly this is a subject of literature; it has been used as a vehicle to hide human political agendas and questions about the human condition.
If they do we simply do not know as we are human and they are not.
There are some things we cannot know and this is I think one of them but I am sure God does know.
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Satan has deceived the angels since the beginning. What those in the NWO and the occult are taught is that Satan will one day control this earth forever because God will give up. They believe that in the end, Satan will win the controversy between God and Satan. I can't say for sure if this is what the demons believe, but this is definitely what the human's are taught.
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It’s a good question and I wondered about that too. But I came to see that demons are not beings like people are beings. They are something else.
I think that sometimes people think that spiritual world is LIKE our world, but just more beautiful or in a different location. But it’s a completely different system or form of existence. Whatever images we see from the other realm (including pictures of demons) are symbols, but not real pictures. The images of the other world or beings in it that we see in visions are simply a symbolic representation of them.
If your negative emotion, which was out of your control, like pride or jealousy or bitterness, was making your life hell, wouldn’t you call it a “monster”? It doesn’t mean that it is. But it ACTS like we believe a monster would act. So we would call it symbolically “a monster”. Something about this idea is similar to what demons are.
Notice how sometimes people say: she was fighting her demons... (they would mean by this: she was fighting her negative emotions..or self)
Notice how sometimes people can’t tell whether it’s an attack of satan or just them fighting with themselves…
We fight ourselves..... Even Paul mentioned lot of times that we have a battle on the inside of us: flesh against the spirit....
What is "flesh fighting against the spirit"? Does anybody really understand that statement? Are there two “me” in each person? I don’t think anybody really understands this statement…except to say that we always fight against our negative emotions.
So, fighting our negative emotions and fighting demons or satan – how is it different? Is there a difference? These are the questions that need to be answered in order for a person to really understand this correctly.
The Bible says that God is love. Not just loving, but love itself. So Love is alive in the spirit realm? So if emotions are alive in the spirit realm, imagine how important it is for us to “give birth” only to positive emotions?
If God is Love, who would the adversary of God be? Perhaps the emotion of hate? We know that light is stronger then darkness. Why is Satan equaled with darkness and God with light? Why use such terms? Is it because those things are real and not just concepts in the spiritual realm?
We live in both realms: physical and spiritual. We are already with God in the spiritual realm. He is in us. Love is in us. So if we have love in us, we have God in us. If we have hate in us, we have God’s adversary in us. That’s probably why 1st John keeps saying that if you love God, but hate brother, you don’t know God. Because God is love. So you would have nothing to do with hate, if you knew love….. I am NOT saying that there is no God and that the emotion rules us. NO. I believe the opposite. I believe that LOVE is alive and is a BEING and is GOD, and not just a concept. This BEING lives in our heart. AKA: God lives in our heart. AKA: love lives in our heart. But all this true only in the spirit realm. So if God lives in our heart, that means loves lives in our heart and that means we can’t hate.
Somehow emotions are not just concepts… perhaps there are living energies…Dealing with them could make our life blissfull or like hell…
Overcoming them is so hard…overcoming evil with good is difficult… The negative emotions just sometimes fall on us like hordes from hell and suffocate our goodness and bring bitterness, discord, and bad results in our life…
The results of the Spirit are joy, peace, love…. Probably because God’s Spirit is somehow related to positive emotions.
Bitterness and envy are coming from the evil one. Probably because Satan is somehow related to negative emotions.
But the Bible also said that Jesus told people that they need to eat him. Seeing this physically is absurd. But perhaps Jesus is FOOD in the spirit realm, from a spiritual point of view? Our SPIRIT might be FEEDING on His Spirit? Christ IS a Spirit who fills everything with Himself (although many people picture Christ as a man, but although it’s ok to do, it’s not correct in reality)
My point is that we know so little of that realm and that we so incorrectly interpret many spiritual things as physical and of course, it draws a wrong picture of reality.
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Where did you get the idea that demons "did love God and Heaven?" Surely not from the Word of God. Mankind is capable of love, at least, as being created in "the image of God", but as one has already said, demons are not like man.
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First of, there are things we don't understand fully at this present time. Some things will have to wait until we see the Lord and ask him.
What I can say is that demons aren't born because they do not breed. They are created individually by God.
Mark 12:25
When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
And we know the angels were created before the world was created:
Job 38:4-7
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?
Now if you think of the time period of 4000+ years up to Christ, the demons (who are fallen Angels) had chances to think of what they had done.
Now all through Christ's work here on earth, no demon approached Jesus out of sorrow. It's not in the bible but rather the opposite, the demons opposed Jesus whilst he was here, there was no repentance but rather the opposite.
But Demons are different from humans, they are totally different beings.
There are a few things we can conclude:
1. The demons are not repentant.
2. God doesn't forgive them:
2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment
Why there is no second chance for them - ask God. But I reckon that because they have seen God and served him, and stood in his presence and yet they still rose up against him, they only deserve to be crushed.
In fact we see in the end days, there is no repentance from them ever!
They rise up against God and God's Angels fight back this rebellion and crush them.
So in conclusion, just as I write this, they are not repentant and they will sometime in the future fight against God and will lose that fight.
Revelation 12:7-8
And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven.
So we know some demons are still in Heaven even now, in fact look at the book of Job...this is God and Satan talking...
Job 1:6-13
One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it.”
Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”
“Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”
The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”
Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.
I think we can see here Satan and his angels have no desire to repent anyway.
What I can say is that demons aren't born because they do not breed. They are created individually by God.
Mark 12:25
When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
And we know the angels were created before the world was created:
Job 38:4-7
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels shouted for joy?
Now if you think of the time period of 4000+ years up to Christ, the demons (who are fallen Angels) had chances to think of what they had done.
Now all through Christ's work here on earth, no demon approached Jesus out of sorrow. It's not in the bible but rather the opposite, the demons opposed Jesus whilst he was here, there was no repentance but rather the opposite.
But Demons are different from humans, they are totally different beings.
There are a few things we can conclude:
1. The demons are not repentant.
2. God doesn't forgive them:
2 Peter 2:4
For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment
Why there is no second chance for them - ask God. But I reckon that because they have seen God and served him, and stood in his presence and yet they still rose up against him, they only deserve to be crushed.
In fact we see in the end days, there is no repentance from them ever!
They rise up against God and God's Angels fight back this rebellion and crush them.
So in conclusion, just as I write this, they are not repentant and they will sometime in the future fight against God and will lose that fight.
Revelation 12:7-8
And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven.
So we know some demons are still in Heaven even now, in fact look at the book of Job...this is God and Satan talking...
Job 1:6-13
One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them. The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it.”
Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”
“Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”
The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”
Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.
I think we can see here Satan and his angels have no desire to repent anyway.
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To be blunt God can not and will not allow evil to be in His presence. He is Holy and sin or evil cannot exist in the Holy Place of heaven or the new creation.
Satan and the evil angels became such when they rejected God and they have been banished to earth and eventually into the eternal fire of Hell. Man as God created Him can repent and be saved but Satan and all things evil cannot.
Satan and the evil angels became such when they rejected God and they have been banished to earth and eventually into the eternal fire of Hell. Man as God created Him can repent and be saved but Satan and all things evil cannot.
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