LHC Discovers the Universe was once Liquid

[juvenissun]

John: 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Amen.

 

[Split Rock]

I want to answer your question. But you do not respect my faith. So, sorry, no answer for you.

NO SOUP FOR YOU!!

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[Wiccan_Child]

John: 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Amen.

When in doubt, throw Bibles till they go away.

If it works, evidence can be accrued to support it.
If it doesn't, surveys and studies will just as readily show this.

Bible verses wax philosophic about 'earthly' and 'heavenly' things are not really relevant: whether or not acupuncture, homoeopathy, intercessory prayer, etc, work or not is an earthly matter.

Whether you like it or not, we can test it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Large Hadron Collider proves the universe was once a liquid

Okay -- let me see if I got this straight.

The world's most powerful particle accelerator smashed together lead nuclei at the highest energies possible, creating dense sub-atomic particles that reach temperatures of over ten trillion degrees. Beyond being awesome, this achievement shows the early universe was actually a liquid.

Am I to assume that this universe started by two lead nuclei smashing together at the highest energies possible?

I don't see the Pb-in-a-glorified-hula-hoop-to-this-universe connection.

I realize lead is a very strong and stable element, but I don't see the connection -- I just don't see it.

I think I'll slam two dictionaries together and see if I can show how the Encyclopedia Britannica got started.

ETA: Oh -- and -- 971

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Okay -- let me see if I got this straight.
Am I to assume that this universe started by two lead nuclei smashing together at the highest energies possible?

Colliding the particles together at those energies turns them into a superhot plasma, which unexpectedly behaves like a liquid. Since the early universe was at those sorts of temperatures, the same events occurred - creating liquid-like plasma. By recreating events that would have occurred during the early stages of the universe, we can see how things behaved.

It's not rocket science.

I don't see the Pb-in-a-glorified-hula-hoop-to-this-universe connection.

I realize lead is a very strong and stable element, but I don't see the connection -- I just don't see it.

Which is probably why you're not a particle physicist at CERN.

I think I'll slam two dictionaries together and see if I can show how the Encyclopedia Britannica got started.

By that one trite analogy, you've single-handedly uncovered the glaring flaw in particle physics that tens of thousands of scientists have overlooked for the past century!

Oh, wait, nevermind. It's just another tornado going through a junkyard.

 

[AV1611VET]

Colliding the particles together at those energies turns them into a superhot plasma, which unexpectedly behaves like a liquid.

Okay, so?

Since the early universe was at those sorts of temperatures...

How do you (or anyone) know?

All you're doing -- (from my perspective, anyway) -- is colliding two Pbs together, then adjusting your computer software to treat the universe according to what happened.

Then they'll report this to the general public, put it in their school textbooks, and expect us to believe it lock, stock and barrel.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Okay, so?

How do you (or anyone) know?

All you're doing -- (from my perspective, anyway) -- is colliding two Pbs together, then adjusting your computer software to treat the universe according to what happened.

Then they'll report this to the general public, put it in their school textbooks, and expect us to believe it lock, stock and barrel.

Er, are we talking religion here?


Seriously though, you would do well to apply the same level of skepticism to your holy book.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Okay, so?

So it's a scientific discovery. Not everything has to have immediate practical world-altering applications. That said, human ingenuity can't be underestimated - who could have predicted what the investigation of electricity has done for us?

How do you (or anyone) know?

Deduction.

All you're doing -- (from my perspective, anyway) -- is colliding two Pbs together, then adjusting your computer software to treat the universe according to what happened.

Naturally.

Then they'll report this to the general public, put it in their school textbooks, and expect us to believe it lock, stock and barrel.

It's generally reasonable to expect rational people to believe something rationally determined - like, say, the existence of atoms.

 

[AV1611VET]

So it's a scientific discovery.

The only 'discovery' is discovering that the heat made lead flow like water -- big deal, I could have told you that.

I think the technical term for it is molten metal.

Like I said, you 'scientists' have to come up with something, or you're going to lose your funding.

Throw the general public a bone -- they'll believe anything, as long as it's wrapped in technojargon.

 

[Split Rock]

The only 'discovery' is discovering that the heat made lead flow like water -- big deal, I could have told you that.

I think the technical term for it is molten metal.

Like I said, you 'scientists' have to come up with something, or you're going to lose your funding.

Throw the general public a bone -- they'll believe anything, as long as it's wrapped in technojargon.

Really AVET... plasma is not "molten metal." Melting metal does not ionize it!

 

[Split Rock]

Throw the general public a bone -- they'll believe anything, as long as it's wrapped in technojargon.

I just realized that this is a very good description of what Creation Scientists do for a living. Their MO is to wrap biblical literalism in technojargon and try and peddle it as science to the public and especially to their flocks.

 

[AV1611VET]

Really AVET... plasma is not "molten metal." Melting metal does not ionize it!

Fine -- call it 'plasma' then; and if melting it doesn't ionize it, what did?

 

[AV1611VET]

I just realized that this is a very good description of what Creation Scientists do for a living. Their MO is to wrap biblical literalism in technojargon and try and peddle it as science to the public and especially to their flocks.

Yes, and you know how I feel about that -- don't you?

 

[Blackmarch]

Large Hadron Collider proves the universe was once a liquid

Coolbeans, huh?

well if we suppose that it at one time expanded from a point, I would also theorize that at one point it was a solid.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

The only 'discovery' is discovering that the heat made lead flow like water -- big deal, I could have told you that.

I think the technical term for it is molten metal.

Since the lead atoms are so hot they've boiled, I'd like to see you predict that they behave like a liquid...

Like I said, you 'scientists' have to come up with something, or you're going to lose your funding.

They've more than justified the LHC's funding. They just don't have to justify it to you. As you so brilliantly demonstrate, you don't even understand the simplified, for-the-laymen press release - God only knows how you'd cope in an actual financial meeting.

Fortunately, modern governments are well aware of the benefits of funding science for its own sake.

Throw the general public a bone -- they'll believe anything, as long as it's wrapped in technojargon.

So, what, we should stop using accurate

Really AVET... plasma is not "molten metal." Melting metal does not ionize it!

Actually, metals are plasmas, weirdly

 

[Targ]

I just realized that this is a very good description of what Creation Scientists do for a living. Their MO is to wrap biblical literalism in technojargon and try and peddle it as science to the public and especially to their flocks.

You mean like this? I facepalmed after reading three words of the abstract. It does not get any better!

 

[William_0]

well if we suppose that it at one time expanded from a point, I would also theorize that at one point it was a solid.

Don't forget Gas or Plasma either!!!!!

 

[Doveaman]

Colliding the particles together at those energies turns them into a superhot plasma, which unexpectedly behaves like a liquid. Since the early universe was at those sorts of temperatures, the same events occurred - creating liquid-like plasma. By recreating events that would have occurred during the early stages of the universe, we can see how things behaved.

Baloney.

No human being has ever known what the early universe was like. The Big Bang is just a model, and a flawed model no doubt, it's not reality. Speculate all you want but stop trying to fool the public.

 

[Cabal]

Baloney.

No human being has ever known what the early universe was like. The Big Bang is just a model, and a flawed model no doubt, it's not reality. Speculate all you want but stop trying to fool the public.

Except this is not speculation, this is an attempt to gain experimental checks of the theory.

Go misunderstand science elsewhere, Pigeonaboy.

 

[knowledgeIsPower]

Baloney.

No human being has ever known what the early universe was like. The Big Bang is just a model, and a flawed model no doubt, it's not reality. Speculate all you want but stop trying to fool the public.

So you're saying that colliding particles together in the past didn't result in superhot plasma?

So by that logic gravity never used to exist either and just because we drop a pencil now doesn't mean the pencil will fall to the ground the next time we drop it just because every single time a pencil has been dropped on the Earth in recorded history it has fallen to the ground as a result of gravity. What an enchanted world you live in.

You can't just take the laws of physics and go "meh... doesn't mean it always has worked like that... the laws of physics aren't constant". Either show me some evidence to demonstrate that that stance has even the remotest chance of holding true or hush until you've got something concrete.