-
Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
-
CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
Is some of the anti science movement to be blamed on scientists?
- Thread starter matthewgar
- Start date
HAPMinistries
Well-Known Member
Yes.
Do you also understand that having a purpose BEFORE you try an experiment helps?
Like in dealing with evolution, if you are questioning evolution, don't you believe starting by assuming it is a fact will lead to conclusions about a lot of things, but not evolution, since it is never questioned? Therefore, you could accomplish a lot of things, but never the validity of evolution.
Obviously there is a difference in our philosophies.
Upvote
0
HAPMinistries
Well-Known Member
There is a LOT of off thread banter going on, but the thread:
Is some of the anti science movement to be blamed on scientists?
Is not a complex question.
Yes, be it bad press and misunderstandings, or more what I see, where scientists are blamed, assumptions being pushed off as facts, and the existence of people with twisted motivations to try and manipulate science to compare to Christianity. People set on painting Christianity in a dark light, always being critical in subtle and not so subtle ways, and in the end, the use of fallacious conversation, be it insulting people who believe in Jesus Christ, to never offering a counter point of view, simply attacking Christianity, to simply lying.
I believe in my heart, and history has shown, that whenever Christianity has questioned itself, a GREAT Revival followed. I am looking forward to something that will be new and unique to this generation, but will have similarities to 'The Great Awakening'.
Is some of the anti science movement to be blamed on scientists?
Is not a complex question.
Yes, be it bad press and misunderstandings, or more what I see, where scientists are blamed, assumptions being pushed off as facts, and the existence of people with twisted motivations to try and manipulate science to compare to Christianity. People set on painting Christianity in a dark light, always being critical in subtle and not so subtle ways, and in the end, the use of fallacious conversation, be it insulting people who believe in Jesus Christ, to never offering a counter point of view, simply attacking Christianity, to simply lying.
I believe in my heart, and history has shown, that whenever Christianity has questioned itself, a GREAT Revival followed. I am looking forward to something that will be new and unique to this generation, but will have similarities to 'The Great Awakening'.
Upvote
0
Christianity does a fine job of giving itself a black eye on it's own, without help from anything else.There is a LOT of off thread banter going on, but the thread:
Is some of the anti science movement to be blamed on scientists?
Is not a complex question.
Yes, be it bad press and misunderstandings, or more what I see, where scientists are blamed, assumptions being pushed off as facts, and the existence of people with twisted motivations to try and manipulate science to compare to Christianity. People set on painting Christianity in a dark light, always being critical in subtle and not so subtle ways, and in the end, the use of fallacious conversation, be it insulting people who believe in Jesus Christ, to never offering a counter point of view, simply attacking Christianity, to simply lying.
I believe in my heart, and history has shown, that whenever Christianity has questioned itself, a GREAT Revival followed. I am looking forward to something that will be new and unique to this generation, but will have similarities to 'The Great Awakening'.
Non-belief is the fastest growing 'belief,' far outpacing the growth of any other religion. Fortunately, as information becomes so accessable to the 'common' person, I 'believe in my heart, and history has shown,' that reason will triumph over superstition and unfounded, defenseless theological claims.
Upvote
0
HAPMinistries
Well-Known Member
Well lets compare.
Say you searched for Zeus.
Zeus is to live on Mt Olympus. So one would use an educated guess to decide if Mt Olympus existed on Earth. That would be your start on 'locating' Zeus, and obviously location would go a long way in discovering if Zeus really exists or not.
But take The Christian God of the Bible. This God in Genesis 1:1 created time, space, and matter. So, to point out the obvious, this God exists outside of time, space, and matter, SO to look for this God 'inside' of time, space, and matter, would be like looking into your drink glass, and looking for the person who made the drink glass. SO, one must question, how does one get to know this God? The scripture says 'by Faith'.
So, one would have to have Faith, which, of course, is irrational and totally un-Methodological Naturalistic, so, you will never find this God by your own method.
Upvote
0
So, by your own admission, you choose to have 'faith' in something that cannot be quantified?
Upvote
0
HAPMinistries
Well-Known Member
Voltaire was well known as an outspoken opponent of Christianity, and predicted that it would cease to exist within 100 years...
Voltaire died in 1778.
The Great Awakening began in 1725 and came in waves we know to 1910, this does not include the Azusa Street Revival that started in April 14, 1906 and is in fact the primary catalyst for the spread of Pentecostalism in the 20th century, birthing the largest Pentecostal/Protestant denomination, 60 million, not bad for a denomination 96 years old. Can you say 'expanding'?
Upvote
0
sandwiches
Mas sabe el diablo por viejo que por diablo.
So, by your own recount, the claim that a deity exists is a mere guess. At least we're on the same page, now.
Upvote
0
HAPMinistries
Well-Known Member
No, it can be a guess on some and not on others.
Some a guess is impossible and only experience at the "God's word' can it truly be known.
Upvote
0
HAPMinistries
Well-Known Member
Are you aware that people believe in different Gods, and lumping them all together is fallacious?
Upvote
0
HAPMinistries
Well-Known Member
Did you know you can only have a correct guess if you have a conclusion?Hey, did you know you can have incorrect guesses and correct guesses?
aka
I believe pushing with 2 fingers will make that huge oak fall down. [guess]
*Pushes tree with 2 fingers [experimentation]
Tree does not fall down. [conclusion]
End conclusion, this is an 'incorrect guess'.
Upvote
0
Similar threads
