LHC Discovers the Universe was once Liquid

[Nomarga]

Science should devote more time to proving the Bible is true instead of disagreeing with it.

Because starting with conclusions and finding data that supports them is how science is done.

 

[MorkandMindy]

The Bible doesn't make scientific claims.

My point was the distinction of some facts being 'scientific' is an artificial one.

What would happen if you were prosecuted for speeding and instead of admitting that at 3 PM you were 10 mph over the speed limit on road whatever and you said that at 3 PM you had been in Mexico?

When asked for air ticket information, passport stamp or any evidence you couldn't provide any, and you had been at work that day.

You might be in trouble for perjury. Could you get off it by saying you hadn't claimed to be geographically correct. That you had the time right and that was enough?

'Scientifically inaccurate' is meaningless. There either is a firmament holding the stars or there isn't.

 

[Targ]

M&M, did you have any comments on my post #14?

 

[Targ]

It's very easy to retrospectively reinterpret a passage to mean something that was never originally intended and in a way that nobody else had ever proposed. So, I'd be interested to know if you can find anyone who agreed with your interpretation of these passages before the scientific discovery was made. Otherwise it just looks like eisogesis.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

'Scientifically inaccurate' is meaningless. There either is a firmament holding the stars or there isn't.

All known facts are scientific - that's the point. The claim that there exists a firmament is scientifically inaccurate since there is no indication that there is such a firmament - unless you go beyond science. It is Biblically accurate to say there is a firmament, but not scientifically accurate.

Science is the sphere of human knowledge. No more, no less.

 

[Boogdar]

I would certainly call the gravity that exists within a galaxy a firmament. The forces of a galaxy or a galaxy itself could certainly be called a firmament...just saying. It's semantics, we know that the stars are held in close (relatively of course) proximity to one another within galaxies, they aren't free floating off wherever, as far as we have discovered, they exist only within galaxies.

 

[KIYX]

2 Peter 3v5: 'For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water'


They could have saved millions by just opening a Bible because it's all there, everything true in modern science is there.

Except were not talking about water but super hot plasma.

Try again.

 

[KIYX]

You can't say the Bible is accurate on moral issues but not on scientific ones.

It's not accurate on either.

 

[MorkandMindy]

It's not talking about planet 'Earth', it's talking about the 'earth' as another word for 'land'. It also says nothing about the entire universe being liquid. If you have earth at the same time as water then you're not meeting the requirements of the original post, which was that the entire universe was liquid, not just a small part of it.

I took 'Earth' to mean planet Earth, looks like I got it wrong, but here's how it happened:


I don't know Koine Greek and don't have time to look up the meanings and try to fathom what the text means.

So I just took all possible meanings. Taking the meaning as 'dirt' is silly, as 'land', well to say the 'land standing out of the water and in the water' is totally pointless because Israel was fairly near the Mediterranean, and people had seen lakes with islands, so it is a completely banal statement, hardly worthy of a divine being.

 

[juvenissun]

It's very easy to retrospectively reinterpret a passage to mean something that was never originally intended and in a way that nobody else had ever proposed. So, I'd be interested to know if you can find anyone who agreed with your interpretation of these passages before the scientific discovery was made. Otherwise it just looks like eisogesis.

There are many people, include me, who believe that the Global Flood is real.

 

[juvenissun]

Except were not talking about water but super hot plasma.

Try again.

I don't think it is plasma either. Water is, indeed, the best term for it.

 

[juvenissun]

Because starting with conclusions and finding data that supports them is how science is done.

It is one way to get the science done.

If you want to talk about science, then pay attention to logic expression.

 

[juvenissun]

All known facts are scientific - that's the point. The claim that there exists a firmament is scientifically inaccurate since there is no indication that there is such a firmament - unless you go beyond science. It is Biblically accurate to say there is a firmament, but not scientifically accurate.

Science is the sphere of human knowledge. No more, no less.

There are a few things that the firmament could be. As a physicist, you should know that.

 

[Delphiki]

I don't think it is plasma either. Water is, indeed, the best term for it.

No, the best term for both deuterium oxide and H2O is "water". The best term for plasma is "plasma" -- which is why we call it plasma.

Plasma is a state of matter, just like "liquid", "solid" and "gas" are. Plasma is a 4th state of matter. Water is a liquid. Things like the sun, aurora borealis, and active neon lights are plasma.

 

[Chesterton]

It was beer. We come from beer.

400 Trillion Trillion Pints of Beer

"...scientists have discovered beer in space.

Well, not beer exactly. But they did find alcohol: ethyl alcohol, to be precise, the active ingredient in all major alcoholic drinks (antifreeze Jell-O shots, quite obviously, are exempted from this category). Three British scientists, Drs. Tom Millar, Geoffrey MacDonald and Rolf Habing, discovered this interstellar Everclear floating in a gas cloud in the constellation of Aquila (sign of the Eagle, the mascot of Anheuser-Busch!"

 

[Delphiki]

It was beer. We come from beer.

400 Trillion Trillion Pints of Beer

"...scientists have discovered beer in space.

Well, not beer exactly. But they did find alcohol: ethyl alcohol, to be precise, the active ingredient in all major alcoholic drinks (antifreeze Jell-O shots, quite obviously, are exempted from this category). Three British scientists, Drs. Tom Millar, Geoffrey MacDonald and Rolf Habing, discovered this interstellar Everclear floating in a gas cloud in the constellation of Aquila (sign of the Eagle, the mascot of Anheuser-Busch!"

*Anxiously awaits the discovery of the dogfish head nebula*

 

[Wiccan_Child]

There are many people, include me, who believe that the Global Flood is real.

People believe a lot of things, not all of which are supported by science.

I don't think it is plasma either. Water is, indeed, the best term for it.

The article is quite clear - it was a super-hot plasma whose behaviour approximates a liquid. It resembles water as easily as it resembles milk.

There are a few things that the firmament could be. As a physicist, you should know that.

Hebrew beliefs about the firmament are quite clear; they believed it was the solid, crystalline dome of the sky. We now know that this is wrong.

 

[MorkandMindy]

It's not talking about planet 'Earth', it's talking about the 'earth' as another word for 'land'.

2 Peter 3 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgement and perdition of ungodly men.

If 'Earth' means 'land' then it is saying the land stands out of the water and in the water, which is frankly a bit obvious - islands and land do stand out of water.

Given also the context of speaking about the World and the heavens it seems 'Earth' must mean the planet, but I could be wrong (not unusual).

 

[MorkandMindy]

Note v6 the flood, and then that in contrast with the World beginning in water (like baptism) and being reborn from water, it will end in fire. v7


If fire is similar to plasma, then it comes at the end and not at the beginning, sorry physicists

 

[juvenissun]

People believe a lot of things, not all of which are supported by science.


The article is quite clear - it was a super-hot plasma whose behaviour approximates a liquid. It resembles water as easily as it resembles milk.


Hebrew beliefs about the firmament are quite clear; they believed it was the solid, crystalline dome of the sky. We now know that this is wrong.

May be it is also a super-dense plasma? If so, plasma is not a proper name any more. Water or milk or gasoline, it does not matter. Water is still the best term to be used in the Scripture.