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The role of women as wives and mothers

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Here are some ideas on how women should behave and be treated. Questions at the end :)

(the words are the original author's. bolding is mine).

In this perspective the Synod devoted special attention to women, to their rights and role within the family and society. In the same perspective are also to be considered men as husbands and fathers, and likewise children and the elderly. [/SIZE]
Above all it is important to underline the equal dignity and responsibility of women with men. This equality is realized in a unique manner in that reciprocal self-giving by each one to the other and by both to the children which is proper to marriage and the family. What human reason intuitively perceives and acknowledges is fully revealed by the word of God: the history of salvation, in fact, is a continuous and luminous testimony of the dignity of women.[/SIZE]


In creating the human race "male and female,"(64) God gives man and woman an equal personal dignity, endowing them with the inalienable rights and responsibilities proper to the human person. God then manifests the dignity of women in the highest form possible, by assuming human flesh from the Virgin Mary, whom the Church honours as the Mother of God, calling her the new Eve and presenting her as the model of redeemed woman. The sensitive respect of Jesus towards the women that He called to His following and His friendship, His appearing on Easter morning to a woman before the other disciples, the mission entrusted to women to carry the good news of the Resurrection to the apostles-these are all signs that confirm the special esteem of the Lord Jesus for women.

Women and Society

23. Without intending to deal with all the various aspects of the vast and complex theme of the relationships between women and society, and limiting these remarks to a few essential points, one cannot but observe that in the specific area of family life a widespread social and cultural tradition has considered women's role to be exclusively that of wife and mother, without adequate access to public functions which have generally been reserved for men.

There is no doubt that the equal dignity and responsibility of men and women fully justifies women's access to public functions. On the other hand the true advancement of women requires that clear recognition be given to the value of their maternal and family role, by comparison with all other public roles and all other professions. Furthermore, these roles and professions should be harmoniously combined, if we wish the evolution of society and culture to be truly and fully human.
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While it must be recognized that women have the same right as men to perform various public functions, society must be structured in such a way that wives and mothers are not in practice compelled to work outside the home, and that their families can live and prosper in a dignified way even when they themselves devote their full time to their own family.


Furthermore, the mentality which honors women more for their work outside the home than for their work within the family must be overcome. This requires that men should truly esteem and love women with total respect for their personal dignity, and that society should create and develop conditions favoring work in the home.

With due respect to the different vocations of men and women, the Church must in her own life promote as far as possible their equality of rights and dignity: and this for the good of all, the family, the Church and society.


But clearly all of this does not mean for women a renunciation of their femininity or an imitation of the male role, but the fullness of true feminine humanity which should be expressed in their activity, whether in the family or outside of it, without disregarding the differences of customs and cultures in this sphere.

What do you think about this person's views on women? Do you agree they are equal with men - even in a marriage? Do you agree that while the author clearly feels mothers should try to me at home with their children, they also see no impediment to them taking up roles in 'public functions', by working outside the home? Do you place equal value on work undertaken by mothers within the home, as you do to work they do outside of it? How do you think the author wants men and women to relate to each other?

Do you agree with this statement? Who do you think wrote it?
 
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I'm just gonna answer my own questions :)

What do you think about this person's views on women?

I love what they have to say!

Do you agree they are equal with men - even in a marriage?

Women and Men are definitely equals and should be treated with equality. This does not mean that there aren't some things that each gender is generally better at. But both should always be treated with equal dignity.

Do you agree that while the author clearly feels mothers should try to me at home with their children, they also see no impediment to them taking up roles in 'public functions', by working outside the home?

I do. But what I would like to see was an acknowledgement that men can (and do) also make great stay-at-home-dads. In situations where mum's earning capacity is higher, swapping paid work/home work roles is a wise, and family friendly choice.

Do you place equal value on work undertaken by mothers within the home, as you do to work they do outside of it?

Stay-at-home-parents are the hardest working people I know. They have the most important job ever.

How do you think the author wants men and women to relate to each other?

With love and respect and generosity and dignity!

Do you agree with this statement? Who do you think wrote it?

I very much agree. And I know who wrote it :p
 
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One of the big injustices in modern society: women get paid less for the same type of labour. Besides that, full-time job or not, they still usually end up taking care of the household chores.

To me that kind of sounds like having your cake and eating it too.
 
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The different roles between wife and husband has nothing to do with dignity or equality..

Today the word equality has been used in a semantically wrong way. People use equality to try to justify abortion..

While a woman can work, It should never usurp her role in motherhood and in marriage. It is always a secondary..

I disagree with women in the army though and being put out in the frontlines to be killed..Shall we have men and women play football together too so??? such is the thinking of egalitarianism.


Pope Benedict XVI on egaltarainism

In his God and the World interview Joseph Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) comments: “Personally it still horrifies me when people want women to be soldiers just like men, when they, who have always been the keepers of the peace and in whom we have always seen a counter-impulse working against the male impulse to stand up and fight, now likewise run around with submachine guns, showing that they can be just as warlike as the men. Or that women now have the ‘right’ to work as garbage collectors or miners, to do all those things that, out of respect for their status, for their different nature, their own dignity, we ought not to inflict on them and that are now imposed on them in the name of equality. That, in my opinion, is a Manichaean ideology that is opposed to the body” (p.82).

egalitarianism does not exalt women but diminishes their status. By being treated as male, [women] are dragged down to being undistinguished and ordinary” (p.83).


The document, approved by the Pope, says feminism has "inspired ideologies" that view men and women as enemies, and question family and marriage.


But the Pope has also called for more respect for working women, and taken a first step towards breaking the male hold on the Vatican bureaucracy.
Feminists have condemned the document as a step backwards.


The Pope will call on leaders of the Roman Catholic church today to attack feminist ideologies which assert that men and women are fundamentally the same.
The Vatican is concerned that this belief is eroding what it regards as women's maternal vocation. But a paper on the subject which is due to be published today - the Vatican's third major pronouncement on women's role in the quarter century of John Paul's papacy - has drawn scornful criticism from feminists and academics.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1580425/The-Pope-rules-out-feminist-theology.html
 
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I do. But what I would like to see was an acknowledgement that men can (and do) also make great stay-at-home-dads. In situations where mum's earning capacity is higher, swapping paid work/home work roles is a wise, and family friendly choice.

As a stay at home dad who is home schooling... Thanks :)


I refer to my wife as "super mom" and "super wife" because she is so amazing. We should be able to have such dignity from our spouses and why not society as well?
 
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One of the big injustices in modern society: women get paid less for the same type of labour. Besides that, full-time job or not, they still usually end up taking care of the household chores.

To me that kind of sounds like having your cake and eating it too.

I have to admit that my wife does more cleaning around the house than myself. But in my defense I do things around the house she prefers not to. Such as putting down new laminent flooring or doing trim work or landscaping or repairing a vehicle that needs fixing or replacing a toilet, and so on.

She understands and accepts me for this regardless. She is so awesome. :)
 
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I have to admit that my wife does more cleaning around the house than myself. But in my defense I do things around the house she prefers not to. Such as putting down new laminent flooring or doing trim work or landscaping or repairing a vehicle that needs fixing or replacing a toilet, and so on.

She understands and accepts me for this regardless. She is so awesome. :)


that is very similar to me also. I don't want my wife having to strain herself with men's type work like laying tile, insulation, unplugging pipes, electrical issues, or pudding walls.

I recently had to fix the plugged shower and I wouldn't want to see my wife having to use a plumping snake, and having to pull out yucky goo and hair from the pipe. Same with the heating pilot and the toilet..I also scrap her car when the ice freezes on it during winter so she doesn't have to manhandle the scraper..
 
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that is very similar to me also. I don't want my wife having to strain herself with men's type work like laying tile, insulation, unplugging pipes, electrical issues, or pudding walls.

I recently had to fix the plugged shower and I wouldn't want to see my wife having to use a plumping snake, and having to pull out yucky goo and hair from the pipe. Same with the heating pilot and the toilet..I also scrap her car when the ice freezes on it during winter so she doesn't have to manhandle the scraper..

If that is as you and your wife want it then I respect that and am happy for you two. :)

Marriage is such an awesome thing. :cool:
 
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If that is as you and your wife want it then I respect that and am happy for you two. :)

Marriage is such an awesome thing. :cool:


well I have my father in law in Chili to answer to. If he finds out his daughter is doing dirty plumbing or construction type stuff I will receive the yelling end of the stick..lol..Its interesting though, since back in her hometown only the women are supposed to carry water from the well. If a man does it he is considered emasculated and the other women laugh at him..I didn't like the idea of my wife carrying a heavy water bucket but her father told me the tradition of it and that if I tried to help her I would be mocked by the other wives, lol...
 
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well I have my father in law in Chili to answer to. If he finds out his daughter is doing dirty plumbing or construction type stuff I will receive the yelling end of the stick..lol..Its interesting though, since back in her hometown only the women are supposed to carry water from the well. If a man does it he is considered emasculated and the other women laugh at him..I didn't like the idea of my wife carrying a heavy water bucket but her father told me the tradition of it and that if I tried to help her I would be mocked by the other wives, lol...

That is good to know. People can be different and have different cultures which can make it hard for some to understand. Sounds like you are a good son-in-law.

I know I try to be considerate of my wife's father. :)
 
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Creed, I believe 'equality' here is used to denote a certain dignity - that is, women and men, both created in the image and likeness of God, are equal in His eyes in terms of value and dignity. I don't think 'equality' here is intended to be understood as you think it is.
 
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Creed, I believe 'equality' here is used to denote a certain dignity - that is, women and men, both created in the image and likeness of God, are equal in His eyes in terms of value and dignity. I don't think 'equality' here is intended to be understood as you think it is.

In reading Creed's last post I think we need to understand where he is coming from, as Creed may need to do with us. In the USA we have a culture that is not the same globally and Creed may live in a culture that sees some of the values in the USA as bad. We may want to give some thought to that, all of us.
 
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I think wives should get to cook at home and vote in the booth.

As for labor, I think payment should be just, not merely equal.

Is this some covert way of suggesting that there is a good reason why women should get paid less than men? Honestly, I'm asking.
 
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Is this some covert way of suggesting that there is a good reason why women should get paid less than men? Honestly, I'm asking.

Unless you believe that a just payment means "men get more than women," I cannot fathom why you'd think I meant that. Unless you believe justice is unjust?
 
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