Byzantine Catholic

[CatholicAtHeart]

Can A Roman Catholic Recieve Communion In A Byzantine Catholic, And Can One Be A Regular Attendee?

 

[Rhamiel]

i might be going to the byzantine catholic church today

 

[AllForJesus]

Of course

We can as well go to the Latin rite and commune and be regular attendee!

Full communion with Rome

 

[KatherineS]

A Catholic may receive the Eucharist in any Particular Catholic Church -- Byzantine or Latin, etc. If a Byzantine Catholic under age 7 is receiving in the Latin Church, it is best his or her parents speak to the priest before Mass to make sure there is no misunderstanding.

A Latin Catholic may attend Byzantine Catholic Divine Liturgy to fulfill Sunday Obligation.

A Catholic also has a duty to support one's own parish, so regular attendence at a parish of another rite is not encouraged. But this law of the Church can be set aside for a true pastoral good. An obvious and simple case would be to attend the parish of one's spouse.

 

[a_ntv]

A Catholic also has a duty to support one's own parish, so regular attendence at a parish of another rite is not encouraged. But this law of the Church can be set aside for a true pastoral good. An obvious and simple case would be to attend the parish of one's spouse.

There is not any obligation to attend the own parish. For example a Catholic can prefer to attend regularly a church of friars / monks, or a shrine, a different parish or a different Easter Rite Catholic church.
Once a time there was the rule to communicate at Easter in the own parish. Now this rule no more exists.
Only some sacraments shall be taken in the own parish/diocese (or they need a permission): baptism, confirmation, marriage, holy order.

Thus it is not only possible for a Latin Rite Catholic to attend regularly a Easter Rite Catholic church, but he can receive there non only the Communion, but also Confession and Anointing of Sick. Even a long-years attendance of Easter Rite Catholic Liturgies, does not mean to change own rite.

 

[KatherineS]

There is not any obligation to attend the own parish. For example a Catholic can prefer to attend regularly a church of friars / monks, or a shrine, a different parish or a different Easter Rite Catholic church.
Once a time there was the rule to communicate at Easter in the own parish. Now this rule no more exists.
Only some sacraments shall be taken in the own parish/diocese (or they need a permission): baptism, confirmation, marriage, holy order.

Thus it is not only possible for a Latin Rite Catholic to attend regularly a Easter Rite Catholic church, but he can receive there non only the Communion, but also Confession and Anointing of Sick. Even a long-years attendance of Easter Rite Catholic Liturgies, does not mean to change own rite.

First of all, it is not the Easter rite but the Eastern churches.

Can. 209 §2. With great diligence they are to fulfill the duties which they owe to the universal Church and the particular church to which they belong according to the prescripts of the law.

Among these duties are the support of one's parish. This is the first principle.

However,

Can. 210 All the Christian faithful must direct their efforts to lead a holy life and to promote the growth of the Church and its continual sanctification, according to their own condition.

This is the second principle. If a Catholic finds important spiritual advantage, they may attend and even join a parish different than their canonical parish. Except they may not transfer to a different ritual church without permission of the giving and receiving bishops (in cases of matrimony, the episcopal consents are dispensed with).

 

[AMDG]

Can A Roman Catholic Recieve Communion In A Byzantine Catholic, And Can One Be A Regular Attendee?

Yes.

 

[winsome]

There is not any obligation to attend the own parish. For example a Catholic can prefer to attend regularly a church of friars / monks, or a shrine, a different parish or a different Easter Rite Catholic church.
Once a time there was the rule to communicate at Easter in the own parish. Now this rule no more exists.
Only some sacraments shall be taken in the own parish/diocese (or they need a permission): baptism, confirmation, marriage, holy order.

Thus it is not only possible for a Latin Rite Catholic to attend regularly a Easter Rite Catholic church, but he can receive there non only the Communion, but also Confession and Anointing of Sick. Even a long-years attendance of Easter Rite Catholic Liturgies, does not mean to change own rite.

So when the new Anglican Ordinariate is established will Latin Rite Catholics be able to attend Mass and receive communion (& fulfill Sunday obligation) at Anglican Ordinariate Masses?

 

[Davidnic]

So when the new Anglican Ordinariate is established will Latin Rite Catholics be able to attend Mass and receive communion (& fulfill Sunday obligation) at Anglican Ordinariate Masses?

Yes, unless something unforeseen happens. But from everything I know, yes. It will be a Catholic mass in full union and Obligation would be satisfied and no matter what the Eucharist is valid and licit and would be the same Sacrament as in the Latin Rite.

 

[winsome]

Yes, unless something unforeseen happens. But from everything I know, yes. It will be a Catholic mass in full union and Obligation would be satisfied and no matter what the Eucharist is valid and licit and would be the same Sacrament as in the Latin Rite.

So some Catholics could have Mass choices of:
Latin Ordinary Rite
Latin Extraordinary Rite
Anglican Rite
Eastern Rite
The first three even being in the same Church (at different times).

Gives a new meaning to cafeteria Catholic.

I wonder if Pope Benedict understands the can of worms he has opened up.

 

[Davidnic]

So some Catholics could have Mass choices of:
Latin Ordinary Rite
Latin Extraordinary Rite
Anglican Rite
Eastern Rite
The first three even being in the same Church (at different times).

Gives a new meaning to cafeteria Catholic.

I wonder if Pope Benedict understands the can of worms he has opened up.

Well there were already 9 forms of Latin Rite Masses (some very limited in geography but valid if you went to them) and in the Eastern Rite there are five liturgical forms (or families of rites, counting related subforms) with something like 21 cultural or ethnic variations in Liturgies.

All valid to attend if you can find them. So, without going in depth there are 30 possible valid Liturgies a Catholic can attend. Now, some are limited in geographic scope or are only done by specific orders. But if you hunt one down it counts.

EWTN has a good overview: link

 

[winsome]

Well there were already 9 forms of Latin Rite Masses (some very limited in geography but valid if you went to them) and in the Eastern Rite there are five liturgical forms (or families of rites, counting related subforms) with something like 21 cultural or ethnic variations in Liturgies.

All valid to attend if you can find them. So, without going in depth there are 30 possible valid Liturgies a Catholic can attend. Now, some are limited in geographic scope or are only done by specific orders. But if you hunt one down it counts.

EWTN has a good overview: link

True, but with the Latin Mass Society pressing for a Latin Mass in normal parishes, and the Anglican Ordinariates having no Churches as their own, there could be 3 options in the same parish. That could be interesting.

 

[Virgil the Roman]

Can A Roman Catholic Recieve Communion In A Byzantine Catholic, And Can One Be A Regular Attendee?

I do. I am Roman rite Catholic Christian; I usually attend a Byzantine Catholic church, St Nicholas, most Sundays. And I always be sure to receive the Divine Eucharist (only whenever I am in a state of grace, though).

 

[AllForJesus]

So some Catholics could have Mass choices of:
Latin Ordinary Rite
Latin Extraordinary Rite
Anglican Rite
Eastern Rite
The first three even being in the same Church (at different times).

Gives a new meaning to cafeteria Catholic.

I wonder if Pope Benedict understands the can of worms he has opened up.

It was not Pope Benedict. It is not a can of worms.

 

[KatherineS]

So when the new Anglican Ordinariate is established will Latin Rite Catholics be able to attend Mass and receive communion (& fulfill Sunday obligation) at Anglican Ordinariate Masses?

yes. but parish membership will only be open to those who came into full communion with the Catholic Church in the Anglican Ordinariate and those who marry a member of the Ordinate.

 

[Davidnic]

yes. but parish membership will only be open to those who came into full communion with the Catholic Church in the Anglican Ordinariate and those who marry a member of the Ordinate.

Did they say that I have not kept up with the details too much. I can see it be open to those who converted before the Ordinariate was offered as well. It will develop over time into whatever it will be.

Addition: Just reading over the statement from Nov of this year it seems that only those who came into communion or marry a member will be allowed until Easter of this coming year when all are received formally into the Church. After that it looks like any can convert to it from outside of Catholicism and I would assume normal procedures would apply for Catholics.

 

[KatherineS]

Did they say that I have not kept up with the details too much. I can see it be open to those who converted before the Ordinariate was offered as well. It will develop over time into whatever it will be.

Addition: Just reading over the statement from Nov of this year it seems that only those who came into communion or marry a member will be allowed until Easter of this coming year when all are received formally into the Church. After that it looks like any can convert to it from outside of Catholicism and I would assume normal procedures would apply for Catholics.

My reading is that the Ordinariate will consist of 1) former Anglicans received into full communion with the Catholic Church; 2) non-Catholics who receive the sacraments of initiation in a parish of the Ordinariate (i.e., even a Methodist or a pagan who is evangelized by the Ordinariate); 3) children of (1) and (2) who are baptized in a parish of the Ordinariate, and; 4) those who marry a person mentioned in (1), (2) or (3) and choose to be a member of the Ordinariate.

My understanding is that, unlike with the Eastern churches, there are no procedures for the transfer of a Catholic to the Ordinariate simply out of preference, habit or desire. Of course, the Holy See is always empowered to dispense from law and Rome could on a case by case basis allow a Catholic to affiliate with the Ordinariate.

 

[Davidnic]

My understanding is that, unlike with the Eastern churches, there are no procedures for the transfer of a Catholic to the Ordinariate simply out of preference, habit or desire. Of course, the Holy See is always empowered to dispense from law and Rome could on a case by case basis allow a Catholic to affiliate with the Ordinariate.

I am willing to bet that eventually there will be an exception made for those with an Anglican ethnic and cultural history or just a straight out change of rite.

Bishops are fairly strict on changing rite in most cases, as is the parish one is going to.

 

[KatherineS]

I am willing to bet that eventually there will be an exception made for those with an Anglican ethnic and cultural history or just a straight out change of rite.

Bishops are fairly strict on changing rite in most cases, as is the parish one is going to.

I think that is a point of uncertainty. Rome seems to have deliberately dodged the issue of the second generation status of these parishes. I don't mean that as a criticism. Sometimes prudence is best served by allowing answers to questions evolve.

Some seem to view these parishes as transitional for the immediate generation of those coming into full communion. I think it makes pastoral sense to invite any of an Anglican heritiage.

I know one big issue is the continued dispenstion from the obligation of celibacy for priestly candidates.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

So some Catholics could have Mass choices of:
Latin Ordinary Rite
Latin Extraordinary Rite
Anglican Rite
Eastern Rite
The first three even being in the same Church (at different times).

Gives a new meaning to cafeteria Catholic.

I wonder if Pope Benedict understands the can of worms he has opened up.

I don't think it is as complicated as your trying to formulate it. The focus and common thread is Christ Risen.

That there are different flavors of worshiping and/or attending Mass is a good thing.

We have brothers and sisters in Christ from all walks of life and various ethnicities, so the different expressions are great.