Pope Wants Sunday As Day of Rest Starting in 2011

[psalms 91]

Then why all the "confusion" on it?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7509559/#post56000551
Tower of Bable

To many doctrines of men, pulling a scripture out, and just plain lack of study or not following the study far enough

 

[Frogster]

And there is the rub, you will never never understand the New unless you understand the Old. What do you think that Paul and all the rest had to go by? What is in the New is backed up in the Old.

I am all ears..lets see it..
Show me where paul wanted moses rebuilt, or nationalism, or..anything..

 

[chestertonrules]

I am all ears..lets see it..
Show me where paul wanted moses rebuilt, or nationalism, or..anything..

Do you admit that there is a difference between obedience to Jesus and adherence to the Jewish Law?

 

[psalms 91]

I am all ears..lets see it..
Show me where paul wanted moses rebuilt, or nationalism, or..anything..

Never said that. What I did say is that God said certain things concerning things we consider Jewisdh and they are not, they are Gods.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Never said that. What I did say is that God said certain things concerning things we consider Jewisdh and they are not, they are Gods.

Yes. Many say that the law was for the Jews. Do you think that is what God would have been thinking. Wouldn't God have said that the law is for my people (who were the Jews at that time). If God said that the law is eternal then it doesn't depend on the existence of the Jews. The entire them of the bible was the redemption of mankind and the bible places emphasis on God's plan to save mankind. The OT focuses on the nation of Israel allot because they were the vehicle God wanted to use to bring the world to him but they failed. That is why we are not given detail about anything else. Abraham's life got a bit of focus and that is because he was important in the birth of Israel. Esau and Ishmael never got much focus because they were insignificant in forming a people God was to use to bring the world to him. The first time God really had Israel in one place as a separate people was after they came from Egypt and then he gave them the law. Did God give Abraham laws and commandments? Sure he did but that was not focused on. Are we to assume Abraham didn't know any of the commandments. I really don't see God resting on the seventh day, blessing and sanctifying it and telling no one until the children of Israel came on the scene. Do you think that was the case Frogster?

 

[psalms 91]

Yes. Many say that the law was for the Jews. Do you think that is what God would have been thinking. Wouldn't God have said that the law is for my people (who were the Jews at that time). If God said that the law is eternal then it doesn't depend on the existence of the Jews. The entire them of the bible was the redemption of mankind and the bible places emphasis on God's plan to save mankind. The OT focuses on the nation of Israel allot because they were the vehicle God wanted to use to bring the world to him but they failed. That is why we are not given detail about anything else. Abraham's life got a bit of focus and that is because he was important in the birth of Israel. Esau and Ishmael never got much focus because they were insignificant in forming a people God was to use to bring the world to him. The first time God really had Israel in one place as a separate people was after they came from Egypt and then he gave them the law. Did God give Abraham laws and commandments? Sure he did but that was not focused on. Are we to assume Abraham didn't know any of the commandments. I really don't see God resting on the seventh day, blessing and sanctifying it and telling no one until the children of Israel came on the scene. Do you think that was the case Frogster?

We see Law before this. God telling Adam in the garden is one. Ever wonder why Canaan was cursed for uncovering his fathers nakedness and the other two were blessed for their actions? Seems to me that there was law there. How about when they got off the ark and clean animals were sacrificed? I think that there was law there as well otherwise why would Noah waste good food? No Law has been around since the beginning.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

We see Law before this. God telling Adam in the garden is one. Ever wonder why Canaan was cursed for uncovering his fathers nakedness and the other two were blessed for their actions? Seems to me that there was law there. How about when they got off the ark and clean animals were sacrificed? I think that there was law there as well otherwise why would Noah waste good food? No Law has been around since the beginning.

True. Noah was to take the clean animals into the ark by the sevens and the unclean by 2. We are not told God telling Noah how to distinguish, which goes back to the point that before Israel came along the bible doesn't focus on any exact laws that were given before. But reasoning and common sense tells us that there must have been laws existing. Cain must have know that killing Abel was a sin. Noah must have somehow known which animals were clean and which were not.

The first law even recorded was God telling Adam and Even not to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge, good and evil. Ever wondered why God had to put such a tree in the garden and tell them not to eat of it. Doesn't that tell us that God expects something from us.

 

[psalms 91]

True. Noah was to take the clean animals into the ark by the sevens and the unclean by 2. We are not told God telling Noah how to distinguish, which goes back to the point that before Israel came along the bible doesn't focus on any exact laws that were given before. But reasoning and common sense tells us that there must have been laws existing. Cain must have know that killing Abel was a sin. Noah must have somehow known which animals were clean and which were not.

The first law even recorded was God telling Adam and Even not to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge, good and evil. Ever wondered why God had to put such a tree in the garden and tell them not to eat of it. Doesn't that tell us that God expects something from us.

Absolutely! This tyheology that we are to sit back and let God arbitrarily do things makes no sense. God will if we will, that is a covenant. God expects us to grow in faith and wisdom according to scripture and to use it. We are to fight a good fight. We are to confess our sins, we are to be able to enter boldly into the throne room, but all this is dependant on us being in Christ. There is a difference between asking Christ into us at salvation and getting rid of self to allow us to be in Christ.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Absolutely! This tyheology that we are to sit back and let God arbitrarily do things makes no sense. God will if we will, that is a covenant. God expects us to grow in faith and wisdom according to scripture and to use it. We are to fight a good fight. We are to confess our sins, we are to be able to enter boldly into the throne room, but all this is dependant on us being in Christ. There is a difference between asking Christ into us at salvation and getting rid of self to allow us to be in Christ.

I had to read that last sentence twice. That is deep man. Good stuff.

 

[Frogster]

Never said that. What I did say is that God said certain things concerning things we consider Jewisdh and they are not, they are Gods.

It was jewish, hence circumcision. Were the gentiles a part of it?

11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

 

[Frogster]

Yes. Many say that the law was for the Jews. Do you think that is what God would have been thinking. Wouldn't God have said that the law is for my people (who were the Jews at that time). If God said that the law is eternal then it doesn't depend on the existence of the Jews. The entire them of the bible was the redemption of mankind and the bible places emphasis on God's plan to save mankind. The OT focuses on the nation of Israel allot because they were the vehicle God wanted to use to bring the world to him but they failed. That is why we are not given detail about anything else. Abraham's life got a bit of focus and that is because he was important in the birth of Israel. Esau and Ishmael never got much focus because they were insignificant in forming a people God was to use to bring the world to him. The first time God really had Israel in one place as a separate people was after they came from Egypt and then he gave them the law. Did God give Abraham laws and commandments? Sure he did but that was not focused on. Are we to assume Abraham didn't know any of the commandments. I really don't see God resting on the seventh day, blessing and sanctifying it and telling no one until the children of Israel came on the scene. Do you think that was the case Frogster?

Then why did the gentiles have to be cut, to partake of the feasts?

Why did Paul use Abraham to show that we are in that cov, not Moses, if the law was this great unifiying factor?

Why does it say the ordinances were against us,in Col 2:14, and in eph 2:15, it says they created hostility between mand and God?

15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility.

 

[psalms 91]

It was jewish, hence circumcision. Were the gentiles a part of it?

11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

What did God say? You seem to leave that out. He said they wiould be celebrated eternally and we even see the one feast in the millenial, did God not mean what He said or is prophecy wrong? You keep ignoring all these things. By the way, the law is not passed away but rather fulfilled. We have a better sacrifice and if we are in Christ the Law is written on our hearts but how abiout those that are not in Christ? What are they under I wonder.

 

[Frogster]

Never said that. What I did say is that God said certain things concerning things we consider Jewisdh and they are not, they are Gods.

You are the one that raised the Mosiac curse earlier. No?

 

[psalms 91]

This is tiresome. Are they Gods feast days or Jewish?

 

[Frogster]

We see Law before this. God telling Adam in the garden is one. Ever wonder why Canaan was cursed for uncovering his fathers nakedness and the other two were blessed for their actions? Seems to me that there was law there. How about when they got off the ark and clean animals were sacrificed? I think that there was law there as well otherwise why would Noah waste good food? No Law has been around since the beginning.

Are we under Moses?

14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace

18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

 

[psalms 91]

Are we under Moses?

14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace

18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

I know many church folks who are not led by the spirit so tell me what are they under and then lets move on as this is getting old

 

[Frogster]

What did God say? You seem to leave that out. He said they wiould be celebrated eternally and we even see the one feast in the millenial, did God not mean what He said or is prophecy wrong? You keep ignoring all these things. By the way, the law is not passed away but rather fulfilled. We have a better sacrifice and if we are in Christ the Law is written on our hearts but how abiout those that are not in Christ? What are they under I wonder.

Fulfilled, then abolished, or people could not come to God, read eph 2:16.

Law written on hearts is used to promote law life. Read about imputed righteousness, read Rom 4:11 and 4:24.

Besides, what law?

Why did Paul tell the Galatians and Colossians not to follow law, and keep the Sabbath?

Dude, paul fought the judaizers the most in his life, those who pushed judaism.... Moses.....

 

[Frogster]

I know many church folks who are not led by the spirit so tell me what are they under and then lets move on as this is getting old

Do the verses say we are not under law or not? No diversions please.

 

[Frogster]

This is tiresome. Are they Gods feast days or Jewish?

They were..God's feasts, for the jews, that were shadows. That is history.

col 2;16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

 

[Magentic]

Thaz his story and he's sticking to it