A serious question.

[FiveTonsOfFlax]

Hello, and fnord, CF.

I have a question for you of a theological nature involving the proof or disproof of a divine entity.

Any member of any faith who believes in any deity is welcome to respond.

Give me one argument for why Eris, the Greek goddess of discord, does not exist, which cannot also be used to disprove the existence of your god or goddess.

Thank you.

Hail Eris.

 

[ephraimanesti]

Hello, and fnord, CF.

I have a question for you of a theological nature involving the proof or disproof of a divine entity.

Any member of any faith who believes in any deity is welcome to respond.

Give me one argument for why Eris, the Greek goddess of discord, does not exist, which cannot also be used to disprove the existence of your god or goddess.

Thank you.

Hail Eris.

MY FRIEND,

Eris does not have a Son who was crucified and whom she raised from the dead three days after his death as testified to by a multitude of witnesses--both to her son's death and also to his resurrection.

The Christian God has accomplished this and much much more.

ABBA'S FOOL,
ephraim

 

[FiveTonsOfFlax]

If I understand correctly, your proof that she does not exist is that she doesn't have a Son whose crucifixion and subsequent resurrection was witnessed.

I'm not entirely certain I can take that as disproof, but it does lay the groundwork for interesting theological discussion. What does having an avatar or a physical manifestation on the Earth entail?

Do we believe all that is written? Malaclypse the Younger advises us not to do so.

MY FRIEND,

Eris does not have a Son who was crucified and whom she raised from the dead three days after his death as testified to by a multitude of witnesses--both to her son's death and also to his resurrection.

The Christian God has accomplished this and much much more.

ABBA'S FOOL,
ephraim

 

[ephraimanesti]

If I understand correctly, your proof that she does not exist is that she doesn't have a Son whose crucifixion and subsequent resurrection was witnessed.

MY DEAR BROTHER,

The Resurrection is, however, evidence of the Christian God's existence and power. No similar evidence exists, of course, for what's her name.

I'm not entirely certain I can take that as disproof,

Sure you can. Try it!

but it does lay the groundwork for interesting theological discussion. What does having an avatar or a physical manifestation on the Earth entail?

Impregnating a suitable female by means of your Holy Spirit so that your essence is replicated as both perfect God and perfect Man in the resulting zygote.

Do we believe all that is written? Malaclypse the Younger advises us not to do so.

i believe what is written when the writers were eyewitnesses of that which they described and gave up their lives rather than recant their eyewitness accounts.

ABBA'S FOOL,
ephraim

 

[FiveTonsOfFlax]

Alright, I'll give you the "major happenings in the mortal world as evidence for a god's influence."

So I will not fashion an argument against the Ressurection, that is not something I can prove or disprove, I was not there. But if we work on a basis of belief and writing, then in Eris's case, there's the whole mess of the Trojan War. (Whoops.)

However, regarding your description of the physical manifestation, surely there are other ways in which a god, or Yahweh, for example, can use the physical being of a mortal man as a conduit for communication.

I suppose Moses is sort of an example.

 

[emixt]

How about you disprove our God's existence whilst not disproving Eris (or anybody else in the Greek pantheon)'s existence?

 

[FiveTonsOfFlax]

How about you disprove our God's existence whilst not disproving Eris (or anybody else in the Greek pantheon)'s existence?

Considering the nature of the forum, I'll assume you refer to Yahweh/YHWH/Jehovah/the big guy.

I absolutely believe that Yahweh exists. I just choose to worship Eris, who I also believe exists.

So I really don't have proof for or against. I just don't pin him as the be-all-end-all-world-in-a-week creator of everything.

That's just my opinion.

 

[ephraimanesti]

However, regarding your description of the physical manifestation, surely there are other ways in which a god, or Yahweh, for example, can use the physical being of a mortal man as a conduit for communication.

I suppose Moses is sort of an example.

MY DEAR BROTHER,

You are switching up on me! You started out with the idea of "an avatar" which, of course, Jesus is not, being God's only begotten Son, and "a physical manifestation", which He really wasn't exactly either given that He is the exact image of the Father rather than a physical manifestation. Anyway, now you are talking about "a conduit for communication" which Moses was--as all the prophets were--but which Jesus was not given that He is much more than a "conduit" being God's Son and all.

You might read a Gospel or two before picking the terminology for your questions.

ABBA'S FOOL,
ephraim

 

[emixt]

Considering the nature of the forum, I'll assume you refer to Yahweh/YHWH/Jehovah/the big guy.

I absolutely believe that Yahweh exists. I just choose to worship Eris, who I also believe exists.

So I really don't have proof for or against. I just don't pin him as the be-all-end-all-world-in-a-week creator of everything.

That's just my opinion.

I'll assume you're a Hellenist...? I'm not really going to debate monotheism vs polytheism (I'm something in between monolatric [like the KO] and a view that all other deities are archetypal, so I both agree and disagree, yay for fence-sitting), but I'm curious as to why you seem to be sitting on the assumption that anybody of any faith would want to disprove Eris' existence?

 

[FiveTonsOfFlax]

MY DEAR BROTHER,

You are switching up on me! You started out with the idea of "an avatar" which, of course, Jesus is not, being God's only begotten Son, and "a physical manifestation", which He really wasn't exactly either given that He is the exact image of the Father rather than a physical manifestation. Anyway, now you are talking about "a conduit for communication" which Moses was--as all the prophets were--but which Jesus was not given that He is much more than a "conduit" being God's Son and all.

You might read a Gospel or two before picking the terminology for your questions.

ABBA'S FOOL,
ephraim

Yikes. Sorry, you're certainly right about that, I did sort of slip and use the wrong term.

Alright, forget the question regarding physical forms/avatars and even prophets/communicators. I'll rethink that one a bit before I ask it again.

 

[FiveTonsOfFlax]

I'll assume you're a Hellenist...? I'm not really going to debate monotheism vs polytheism (I'm something in between monolatric [like the KO] and a view that all other deities are archetypal, so I both agree and disagree, yay for fence-sitting), but I'm curious as to why you seem to be sitting on the assumption that anybody of any faith would want to disprove Eris' existence?

I guess if you have to pick a label, I'm just a polytheist with a current Hellenic leaning. Or you could even say "FiveTonsOfFlax is an Erisian." That works. Anyway, I'm not going to ask you to argue over the existence of one vs many, no, that's a topic for another day.

But I'm not assuming that people would want to disprove her existence. I posed this question, however, just in case there really are such people willing to jump at the chance.

I thought it might be a fun experiment.

Plus, serving your deity's aspects in any manner you can is advisable.

 

[emixt]

Plus, serving your deity's aspects in any manner you can is advisable.

Wait, so you think that encouraging discord is ... a good thing? Here I thought people with "Hellenic leanings" had a basic grasp of social responsibility vs. let's just get crazy with it. I doubt you'd go starting war if you honoured Ares, for instance.

 

[ephraimanesti]

Yikes. Sorry, you're certainly right about that, I did sort of slip and use the wrong term.

Alright, forget the question regarding physical forms/avatars and even prophets/communicators. I'll rethink that one a bit before I ask it again.

Well, perhaps your problem has to do with your five tons of flax--

"Moreover they that work in fine flax will dispair, and they that weave linen will lose hope." (Isaiah 19:9).

ABBA'S FOOL,
ephraim

 

[FiveTonsOfFlax]

Wait, so you think that encouraging discord is ... a good thing? Here I thought people with "Hellenic leanings" had a basic grasp of social responsibility vs. let's just get crazy with it. I doubt you'd go starting war if you honoured Ares, for instance.

Haha, all things in moderation. Discord in controlled dosages.

I do have a grasp of social responsibility, mind you, and I'm not going to go about starting fights, and yes, you're right, were I to worship Ares, I'd not be going off starting armed conflicts.

But then again, I don't worship Ares. Were I a soldier, I might.

No worries, I know better than to cause too much trouble, and especially than to just "get crazy with it." I do like posing these questions, however, because the reactions can range from philosophical and interesting to rather amusing.

Ah well. Hail Eris.

 

[emixt]

No worries, I know better than to cause too much trouble, and especially than to just "get crazy with it." I do like posing these questions, however, because the reactions can range from philosophical and interesting to rather amusing.

I assume I'm somewhere toward the "rather amusing" end? xD

 

[FiveTonsOfFlax]

I assume I'm somewhere toward the "rather amusing" end? xD

Closer to the middle, I'd say.

I suppose you'd classify the very indignant and offended responses under "amusing."

 

[FutureAndAHope]

In this world it is impossible to disprove that a particular diety exists (according to Christian traditions). Christians believe that lying spirits can minic God like attributes. So you have God able to identify himself, and an enemy of God aiming to deceive. Even Jesus said:

Mat 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.

Nothing is certain, only Gods ability to uncover the truth. God is bigger than all lies.

 

[hlaltimus]

Hello, and fnord, CF.

I have a question for you of a theological nature involving the proof or disproof of a divine entity.

Any member of any faith who believes in any deity is welcome to respond.

Give me one argument for why Eris, the Greek goddess of discord, does not exist, which cannot also be used to disprove the existence of your god or goddess.

Thank you.

Hail Eris.

Eris didn't feed 5,000 hungry people with 5 loaves of bread and 2 small fishes.

 

[zaksmummy]

Im going to tell you a story about Abraham, the father of faith in the One God.

He was brought up to believe in many gods. His father was an idol maker. He was going on a journey and so he left Abraham in charge of the shop.

A man came into the shop to buy an idol. Abraham asked him "How old are you?" the man replied "60 years old". "Why are you buying an idol that is only three days old?" he asked. The man left.

The next day a women came into the shop with some flour and ask Abraham to offer it to the idols. When his father returned later that day, he found all but one of the idols smashed into pieces. "What happened?" he asked.

"Well" said Abraham "a women brought flour for the idols to eat. All of them thought that they should eat first all except that big, who took a stick and smashed the others up"

"What are you talking about" said his father "do they have any intelligence?"

"Let you ears hear what you mouth is saying" was Abraham's reply.

 

[Flower Tender]

Just chiming in... I seem to recall reading that creation itself 'speaks' to every heart so that we all 'know' God through the creation... in other words, everyone has their own internal proof of God ...

maybe I should go find that one before I try to quote it, huh....