Did Augustine retraction concerning Peter and the Rock?

[LittleLambofJesus]

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[Standing Up]

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Augustine the protestant---let the reader decide. Ya gotta love it.

Say, didn't an RCer say they didn't saint protestants? Whoops , Augustine slipped through

 

[Fireinfolding]

Augustine the protestant---let the reader decide. Ya gotta love it.

Say, didn't an RCer say they didn't saint protestants? Whoops , Augustine slipped through

LOL Like Jesus said, who do men say that I am? NOW who do YOU say that I am?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Augustine the protestant---let the reader decide. Ya gotta love it.

Say, didn't an RCer say they didn't saint protestants? Whoops , Augustine slipped through

He was a Protestant? KEWLIEZ!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LOL Like Jesus said, who do men say that I am? NOW who do YOU say that I am?

I think they are still trying to wrap their heads around on this to this day ehehe

John 12:34 The crowd answered Him "we have heard out of the Law that the Christ remains into the Age, and how thou say 'the Son of the Man must be lifted up/exalted'?
Who-any is this the Son of the Man?"
[Daniel 7:13]

 

[BrotherBob]

Joining a little bit late but I thought interesting the Greek translation of the word Petra which means a mass of rocks as distinct from Petros a detached stone or boulder and sometimes translated pebble.

 

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1Cr 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

That Rock was Christ is petra too

Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles

To Peter...

Mat 16:17 Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Of Paul...

Gal 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Sorta like WHO do MEN say that I AM but WHO do YOU say that I am?

Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Thou art The Christ the Son of the living God

My Father gave YOU that, His Son revealed in them, or the Rock Jesus Christ (The Apostle of their profession) upon whom he would build his church.

WHO is IN Peter and IN Paul?

Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)

So Kool

 

[Secundulus]

Joining a little bit late but I thought interesting the Greek translation of the word Petra which means a mass of rocks as distinct from Petros a detached stone or boulder and sometimes translated pebble.

Jesus named Peter Kephas. He spoke in Aramaic so the original conversation was in Aramaic.

It makes a difference in understanding the text.

 

[tadoflamb]

Augustine the protestant---let the reader decide. Ya gotta love it.

Say, didn't an RCer say they didn't saint protestants? Whoops , Augustine slipped through

St. Augustine was a bishop.

Latin rite.

 

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St. Augustine was a bishop.

Latin rite.

Yep. St. Augustine the Prostestant Roman Catholic bishop who said concerning the foundation so-called of Roman Catholicism, let the reader decide.

You guys need to watch on whom you build more closely ... :o

 

[Standing Up]

1Cr 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

That Rock was Christ is petra too

Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles

To Peter...

Mat 16:17Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Of Paul...

Gal 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Sorta like WHO do MEN say that I AM but WHO do YOU say that I am?

Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Thou art The Christ the Son of the living God

My Father gave YOU that, His Son revealed in them, or the Rock Jesus Christ (The Apostle of their profession) upon whom he would build his church.

WHO is IN Peter and IN Paul?

Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)

So Kool

Amen. Who do men say who He is? Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

Josh. 3:10 And Joshua said, Hereby ye shall know that the living God [is] among you, and [that] he will without fail drive out from before you the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Hivites, and the Perizzites, and the Girga[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]es, and the Amorites, and the Jebusites.

1 Sam 17:26 And David spake to the men that stood by him, saying, What shall be done to the man that killeth this Philistine, and taketh away the reproach from Israel? for who [is] this uncircumcised Philistine, that he should defy the armies of the living God?

Jn. 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Amen. Who do men say who He is? Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God.

Josh. 3:10 And Joshua said, Hereby ye shall know that the living God [is] among you, and [that] he will without fail drive out from before you the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Hivites, and the Perizzites, and the Girga[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]es, and the Amorites, and the Jebusites.

1 Sam 17:26 And David spake to the men that stood by him, saying, What shall be done to the man that killeth this Philistine, and taketh away the reproach from Israel? for who [is] this uncircumcised Philistine, that he should defy the armies of the living God?

Jn. 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

Kool bro

 

[Secundulus]

St. Augustine said he trusted the judgement of the Church.

That makes him the anti-Protestant since a Protestant trusts only the judgment of himself.

Saying otherwise a whole bunch of times only makes it true if you are Dr. Goebbels.

 

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in a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: ‘On him as on a rock the Church was built’...But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: ‘Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,’ that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: ‘Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,’ and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received ‘the keys of the kingdom of heaven.’ For, ‘Thou art Peter’ and not ‘Thou art the rock’ was said to him. But ‘the rock was Christ,’ in confessing whom, as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter. But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable [SIZE=-1](The Fathers of the Church (Washington D.C., Catholic University, 1968), Saint Augustine, The Retractations Chapter 20.1).[/SIZE]

St. Augustine said he trusted the judgement of the Church. -snip-

Sorry, no, not on this foundational issue. Read Augustine's own words above. " Let the reader decide ". Not let the Church decide. Not let the Pope decide or Patriarch or Pastor. As a matter of fact, he here slapped the face of the Roman Catholic Church as hard as he dared, questioning its very root, leaving a stinging bruise for all with eyes to see.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hmmm. I had this link saved in a folder and when I clicked on it, it didn't show up...was it deleted or moved..

http://www.christianforums.com/t5523201-186/#post36033682
Peter is not the Rock

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Interesting thread!

 

[ivebeenshown]

St. Augustine said he trusted the judgement of the Church.

That makes him the anti-Protestant since a Protestant trusts only the judgment of himself.

Psalm 31:6
I have hated them that regard lying vanities: but I trust in the LORD.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

[City Smurf]

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How is it a strawman? It's Protestant theology 101. You rely soley on your own fallen humanity to interpret and understand God. Protestants rely soley on their own judgements even when claiming to follow God, it is your own judgement as to what is God's Will for you to follow. So what is the point of your post?

As Saint Augustine once said.. "the case is closed, Rome has spoken". He was no proto-Protestant for anyone who would like to believe so, he submitted himself fully to Rome's authority and did not fall back to rely on his own arrogance.

 

[ivebeenshown]

How is it a strawman? You rely SOLELY on your own fallen humanity to interpret and understand God. Protestants rely soley on their own judgements even when claiming to follow God,

^^^STRAWMAN^^^

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Thessalonians+5:21&version=KJVPsalm 119:169
Let my cry come near before thee, O LORD: give me understanding according to thy word.

 

[City Smurf]

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When your understanding on a verse in the Scriptures is different from a Lutheran pastor's for example, how do you know which one God has taken by the hand and brought to the right conclusion outside of your own judgement? You have no visible authority but yourself after all.

How do you know you're right and he's wrong, and both have prayed for God's guidance? God cannot lead both of you to contradictory stances after all. One must be wrong, the other must be right.

How do you objectively know?