My Human Chromosome 2 Challenge

[Assyrian]

Well if you want to take it figuratively and all that...

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, God...

It take it then, that it wasn't God?

Jesus spoke in metaphors and said he was a grapevine.
Jesus also said he would rise from the dead.
That must mean the resurrection is a metaphor too.

Really AV, this is one of the silliest Creationist argument going, the false dichotomy that the bible must either be completely literal, or else everything must be a metaphor.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

It's a pretty poor metaphor then, wouldn't you agree?

The order is all wrong.

Yes, it is a pretty poor metaphor, but one can at least derive intent from it. Taken literally however, it utterly fails.

 

[Bushido216]

Books are hard.

 

[Greg1234]

Yes, it is a pretty poor metaphor, but one can at least derive intent from it. Taken literally however, it utterly fails.

More ad hom. You believe creationists are dumb, we get it. But you still have to present your case.

 

[Chalnoth]

More ad hom. You believe creationists are dumb, we get it. But you still have to present your case.

Well, you never did bother to answer the four-minute video I posted earlier. A video which basically goes over the argument in the original post. Why not trying to answer the original post? Or the video? Here, I'll post it again:

YouTube - Ken Miller on Human Evolution

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

More ad hom. You believe creationists are dumb, we get it. But you still have to present your case.

It's been made, and it's still "the only game in town."

 

[Greg1234]

Well, you never did bother to answer the four-minute video I posted earlier. A video which basically goes over the argument in the original post. Why not trying to answer the original post? Or the video? Here, I'll post it again:

I've already seen this. A fused chromosome is a fused chromosome. A fused chromosome does not cause a beast to turn into a man. A fused chromosome does not make a man a man. Even if the chromosomes were not fused, man would still be man. Therefore a fused chromosome is not evidence that bacteria can turn into men.

 

[Greg1234]

It's been made, and it's still "the only game in town."

Sure.

 

[MoonLancer]

I've already seen this. A fused chromosome is a fused chromosome. A fused chromosome does not cause a beast to turn into a man. A fused chromosome does not make a man a man. Even if the chromosomes were not fused, man would still be man. Therefore a fused chromosome is not evidence that bacteria can turn into men.

I noticed that you did not debunk the evidence. You instead made your own claims to replace the evidence given. You are also implying dishonest methods of argument. Your response shows you are incapable of understanding the argument and are only able to repeat the arguments of others. .

If your going to argue in an obtuse way dont feel bad when people call you out on it.

 

[MoonLancer]

A fused chromosome does not make a man a man.

Why? It shows comment decent and nested hierarchy and corresponds exactly to other primates

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

I've already seen this. A fused chromosome is a fused chromosome. A fused chromosome does not cause a beast to turn into a man. A fused chromosome does not make a man a man. Even if the chromosomes were not fused, man would still be man. Therefore a fused chromosome is not evidence that bacteria can turn into men.

I'm curious as to why you disagree with Dr. Miller on this?

(without the rhetoric is possible)

 

[Chalnoth]

I've already seen this. A fused chromosome is a fused chromosome. A fused chromosome does not cause a beast to turn into a man. A fused chromosome does not make a man a man. Even if the chromosomes were not fused, man would still be man. Therefore a fused chromosome is not evidence that bacteria can turn into men.

Well, you've gone on quite the tangent with this.

Nobody said that the fusion of this chromosome turned an ape into a man. That wasn't even suggested. Chromosomes are just ways of grouping genes. A fusion between chromosomes (or a splitting of one into two) has little to no effect on an organism.

That isn't the point. This is rather about the fact that our genes carry the hallmarks of being a direct descendant of ape genes. Specifically, the fusion between two ape chromosomes resulted in human chromosome 2.

And bacteria? Really? This is purely about the transition from pre-human apes to humans. Stay on topic, please?

 

[Greg1234]

That isn't the point. This is rather about the fact that our genes carry the hallmarks of being a direct descendant of ape genes. Specifically, the fusion between two ape chromosomes resulted in human chromosome 2.

So now the chromosomes are ape chromosomes. Anyways, you are free to speculate about it. In reality though,a fused human chromosome or unfused human chromosome, a man is a man. It isnt relevant.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

So now the chromosomes are ape chromosomes. Anyways, you are free to speculate about it. In reality though,a fused human chromosome or unfused human chromosome, a man is a man. It isnt relevant.

We'll leave the speculation to you guys, as there seems to be a special penchant for that among creos.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, it is a pretty poor metaphor, but one can at least derive intent from it. Taken literally however, it utterly fails.

And I've explain why it "fails" -- haven't I?

Yet again:

I believe God "jumbled" the order of Creation up on purpose -- knowing that in the last times, the religion of the end-times (scientism) would dictate how history went down.

So God "jumbled" the order of the creation events so they would stand out like a sore thumb.

Had God created the universe according to the way your god supposedly did it, then it would be even harder to deny evolution.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

And I've explain why it "fails" -- haven't I?

Yet again:

I believe God "jumbled" the order of Creation up on purpose -- knowing that in the last times, the religion of the end-times (scientism) would dictate how history went down.

So God "jumbled" the order of the creation events so they would stand out like a sore thumb.

Had God created the universe according to the way your god supposedly did it, then it would be even harder to deny evolution.

Face it, your god jumbled everything up.

 

[AV1611VET]

Face it, your god jumbled everything up.

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[LifeToTheFullest!]

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[Assyrian]

And I've explain why it "fails" -- haven't I?

Yet again:

I believe God "jumbled" the order of Creation up on purpose -- knowing that in the last times, the religion of the end-times (scientism) would dictate how history went down.

So God "jumbled" the order of the creation events so they would stand out like a sore thumb.

Had God created the universe according to the way your god supposedly did it, then it would be even harder to deny evolution.

So when God was jumbling up the order of creation, did he jumble up Genesis 1 or Genesis 2?

 

[Chalnoth]

So now the chromosomes are ape chromosomes. Anyways, you are free to speculate about it. In reality though,a fused human chromosome or unfused human chromosome, a man is a man. It isnt relevant.

The exact same genes in our chromosome 2 are in the chimpanzee, gorilla, and orangutan chromosomes 2A and 2B. With evolution, this makes sense: at some point in the ~7 million years since our ancestors and chimpanzee ancestors went their separate ways, those two chromosomes fused together in our ancestors.

How can you possibly explain that our chromosome 2 looks like the chimpanzee, gorilla, or orangutan chromosomes 2A and 2B stuck together without evolution?