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My Human Chromosome 2 Challenge

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How far is this line of questioning going to descend?

A line of questioning must follow the answers. If the questioning is descending, it is because the answers are dragging them down.
 
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If God, Himself, said He used evolution to make Adam & Eve, then obviously the definition of evolution as used by "higher" academia is wrong.

Evolution does not allow for Adam & Eve to coexist as our first parents.

In fact, y-Adam and mtDNA Eve lived, if my memory serves me correctly, thousands of years apart?
Yes, but Y-Adam and mt-Eve are very special kinds of ancestors. Neither of them is actually the last common ancestor of humanity. They are merely last common ancestors in whom all paternal/maternal lines meet. Identifying them ignores all other ways of tracing ancestry. (Which is why they are also horribly misnamed)

The true last common ancestor (the latest person ancestral to all living humans) had to have a partner, because humans are not very good at reproducing asexually. There's your Adam and Eve, if you must have them.
 
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The true last common ancestor (the latest person ancestral to all living humans) had to have a partner, because humans are not very good at reproducing asexually. There's your Adam and Eve, if you must have them.
However you cut it, in evolutionary philosophy, there is no such thing as Adam & Eve being our first parents.
 
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However you cut it, in evolutionary philosophy, there is no such thing as Adam & Eve being our first parents.
Yes, this is true, because they themselves would have had parents, and furthermore would have been members of a good-sized population.
 
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That's ok, the bible doesn't say they were.
Genesis 3:20 ¶ And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Adam Clarke's Commentary said:
It is probable that God designed by this name to teach our first parents these two important truths:
 
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It's a METAPHOR, AV. a METAPHOR. It symbolizes the origins of humans. It would be impossible for us to have our current genetic diversity if we all came from two people 6,000 years ago. Why does everything have to be literal?

Because its easier that way. The Bible would be just too hard to understand otherwise...
 
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It's a METAPHOR, AV. a METAPHOR. It symbolizes the origins of humans. It would be impossible for us to have our current genetic diversity if we all came from two people 6,000 years ago. Why does everything have to be literal?
Which has nothing to do with Darwinism and literally means that man was created as man.
 
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Genesis 3:20 ¶ And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Including hippos and giraffes? They are living too. Gen 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ark.
 
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It's a METAPHOR, AV. a METAPHOR. It symbolizes the origins of humans.
It's a pretty poor metaphor then, wouldn't you agree?

The order is all wrong.
 
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Including hippos and giraffes? They are living too. Gen 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every sort into the ark.
Nice try.
 
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Hey, it doesn't say mother of every human being, but mother of all living. I mean if you want to take Genesis literally and all that.
Well if you want to take it figuratively and all that...

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, God...

It take it then, that it wasn't God?
 
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If it's meant to convey a moral teaching or story, it doesn't matter if the details are wrong.
Then who is "God" in this metaphor you guys call Genesis 1?
 
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Then who is "God" in this metaphor you guys call Genesis 1?

Do you really think that all of the stories in the Bible with God are "literally" true? Like Job? You think that Satan strolls up to heaven and they make bets on people? The purpose of the story of Job is not to tell you about the dynamics of God and Satan's relationship. It's supposed to teach you something about loyalty to God even in the worst of times.

The story of Genesis is supposed to tell the story of where we all came from. It's a story that seeks to explain why humans "fell" from grace with the almighty. All of literature tries to answer the question "what does it feel like to be human?" The Bible is no different. Genesis is a snapshot of the worldview that the people at the time had. It's got a lot of their folklore entwined in the moral message. Believing that it's literally about a talking snake cheapens that in my mind. It's far more meaningful as a parable.
 
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Then who is "God" in this metaphor you guys call Genesis 1?
It really is just too hard for you to figure out.. isn't it? As I have been saying here for a while, Bible literalists are literalsts because otherwise figuring out the Bible would be too difficult for them.
 
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