Q For Darwinists: Are Fish Birds or Dinosaurs?

[AV1611VET]

"Inventions" in that passage is used in the sense of "devising schemes" or "crafting evil". It is not connected with inventions such as people sitting down and inventing scientific theories and gadgets.

Well, for the record, Paul compares [prescient] evolution to a philosophy.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Note the "rudiments of the world"? today we would say, "Periodic Table of the Elements".

Paul, in a letter to Timothy, further compares [prescient] evolution to fables.

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

 

[AV1611VET]

Given the demographics of who actually believes these things (i.e. a large proportion of Christianity), nothing could therefore be further from the truth, no matter how much you may want it to be.

We call that "the signs of the times".

It is also referred as "psychoheresy" (the intrusion of psychological philosophies into the New Testament church).

Jesus referred to it as the "tares growing among the wheat".

And Paul calls it, "giving heed to seducing spirits".

Yes, evolution is creeping into our churches now that verbal plenary inspiration has gone out the window, but we fundamentalists are not "ignorant of Satan's devices" and getting caught off-guard.

 

[Targ]

Darwinism is atheism. There's no question about that. Its not about who accepts what. Its not science, but a belief. A belief which is accommodated by an atheistic philosophy.

You're still not getting it. Almost half of all Christians in the USA, for example, accept evolution while living their lives as devout Christians. I, here in Australia, also accept evolution despite also being a Christian. You've just written off around half of Christendom as being atheists by these comments. If evolution is atheistic, then why do so many people class themselves as "theistic evolutionists"? You're talking nonsense.

 

[Targ]

Well, for the record, Paul compares [prescient] evolution to a philosophy.

He tells you to be wary of vain deceit and philosophies. But what he does not however is define what these are, and he doesn't include evolution as one example of it.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Note the "rudiments of the world"? today we would say, "Periodic Table of the Elements".

Your definition is totally anachronistic. "Rudiments" is defined as "any first thing, from which the others belonging to some series or composite whole take their rise, an element, first principal" (Thayers lexicon). It's going nothing to do with the Periodic Table.

Paul, in a letter to Timothy, further compares [prescient] evolution to fables.

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Again, no mention of evolution. You are wrongly reading evolution into passages where it simply says no such thing.

 

[david.disciple]

ok lets take a step back in time. lets say idk few 100s years ago the avg hight was about 4"2 now days it is 5"3ish so just looking at that we has humans do chage over time. Oh ghos thats the def of Evolution. A chage over time. We aslo live longer oh gosh a other Evolution. we aslo have computers oh gosh a other type of Evolution. Or wiat did computers just poof out of no weere or did an Abacus made the morden computer we are useing today?

 

[Greg1234]

You're still not getting it. Almost half of all Christians in the USA, for example, accept evolution while living their lives as devout Christians. I, here in Australia, also accept evolution despite also being a Christian. You've just written off around half of Christendom as being atheists by these comments. If evolution is atheistic, then why do so many people class themselves as "theistic evolutionists"? You're talking nonsense.

These are your beliefs. Its when you attempt to imbue it unto people in order to escape scrutiny does problem surface.

It doesnt matter how many people "accept it". It is atheism. You have in one corner a Christian backing up screaming about the rise of Darwinism in the church. In the other, you have an atheist backing up screaming about the number of unbelievers in his church. One day the backs of the two of you are going to touch, you'll turn around and give each other a hug. Like the meeting of distant brothers, you're directly related. I've had my experience with "theistic evolutionists". They attack the bible the same way atheists do. Latently, the desired effect on all of them, the reason for which Darwinism persists in this day, is being milked. It is a form of infiltration. On the outside it looks harmless, but it is just atheism. The hijacking of science doesnt change this,

 

[rockaction]

Understanding that you are an animal lets you realize that you are of this world, that you have a responsibility to this world, and that you can learn about yourself when you learn about the world. Understanding that you are an animal provides you with humility, wonder, and mystery. "Goddidit" sanctions the destruction of the natural world. End times, amirite? So drill baby drill.

 

[AV1611VET]

But then it has to be, seeing [it is believed] that it came from menbeasts who were inferior.

From another post of mine:

Dagon
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Evolution
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[AV1611VET]

Understanding that you are an animal lets you realize that you are of this world, that you have a responsibility to this world, and that you can learn about yourself when you learn about the world.

What's next? understanding that we are machines, so we can better serve each other?

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

its a good thing that no one says this except for you.

nice strawman.

the devil in in the details which you ignore.

Well I guess since humans that look like us existed before 200,000 B.C. and humans behaved like us prior to 50,000 B.C. then then there has been no evolution. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Yeah, you must be a troll. I've several of your post in other threads and you don't even seem to have a solid position. You just seem to reflexively disagree with what everyone else says. So, yeah. I won't bother responding to your points. It'll just be a waste of time.

Marcus

You must not have any logical or scientific counterarguments.

I declare victory...

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

a non-human have never, ever given birth to a human.

LOL.

Well that's a relief. I was starting to think evolution was a serious idea...

No biologist says that! None!

LOL.

I agree evolutionists cannot be considered actual biologists.

 

[rockaction]

What's next? understanding that we are machines, so we can better serve each other?

We are molecular, organic, replicating machines. Even if we were created by an intelligent designer, we'd still be machines. What's your point?

 

[Assyrian]

That's right; and that's where the similarity ends.

Solomon did not say we came from the beasts.

Sounds like Solomon was even more on the ball than I realised.
Solomon didn't say we came from beasts, he said we are beasts.
Just like modern science doesn't say we evolved from animals it says we are animals.

In fact, Solomon, who had apes imported:

1Ki 10:22 For the king had at sea a navy of Tharshish with the navy of Hiram: once in three years came the navy of Tharshish, bringing gold, and silver, ivory, and apes, and peacocks.

... concluded this:

Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Note how he compares [prescient] evolution to inventions?

I'm sure "higher" academia calls evolution a 'discovery'.

If you are going to drag the meaning of the verse out of context, at least drag the right part.

Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that
God hath made man upright;


but they have sought out many inventions.​

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

One of these things is not like the other.

a non-human have never, ever given birth to a human. No biologist says that! None! You simply don't understand how evolution works

 

[Assyrian]

One of these things is not like the other.

Which one?

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

Which one?

In your imaginary progression I see a non-human giving birth to a human.

 

[Assyrian]

So you can't actually point to one that is different.

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

So you can't actually point to one that is different.

LOL.

Every one of them is claimed to be different...

 

[Assyrian]

LOL.

Every one of them is claimed to be different...

You said "One of these things is not like the other." Now you are saying every one is different, which doesn't leave you with an odd man out.

Are we that different from Cro-Magnon?