Who did away with the law?

[YosemiteSam]

there were two sets because moses broke the first set.

so, God rewrote the ten commandments for them.

also of note, in both instances, God wrote the commandments Himself.

and yes, i'm saying that the ten were not part of the book of the law.

No the ten were not part of the book of the law...look back at Victors post where he shows, the ten in the ark under the mercy seat and the book of law was on the outside of the ark

 

[squint]

No no no..your posting the same thing again, with all due respect, what your saying to do, is to be like a guy driving, only looking in the rear view mirror..bad instructions.

Why equate it that way? Scriptures are clear that NO power of indwelling sin, evil present or DEVIL is UNDER Grace and also says that all such workings IN MAN will NEVER be lawful. Drive the car however you please from there in recognition of the passengers.

Again..yes, there is the flesh, but God took it to the cross, now we await our new bodies.

I am not in the gnostic 'evil flesh/matter' camp frog.

24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

There is a solution.

Assuredly so for the MAN who carries such workings but NOT for the powers of [sin, evil present or the devils] who are WITH mankind in any way, shape or form. That simply ain't a happenin' deal, NOR is putting those same 'under Grace' NOR is denying they exist 'with' mankind.

It ain't Adam being avoided my friend. It's the facts.

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[YosemiteSam]

the proof is in the bible:

Exodus 34:5 ( NKJV ) 5Now the Lord descended in the cloud and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord.

Exodus 40:34 ( NKJV ) 34Then the cloud covered the tabernacle of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle.

Exodus 40:38 ( NKJV ) 38For the cloud of the Lord was above the tabernacle by day, and fire was over it by night, in the sight of all the house of Israel, throughout all their journeys.

1 Corinthians 10:1-4 ( NKJV ) 1Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3all ate the same spiritual food, 4and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

yes, with His own finger, that's what i've been trying to tell you.

God wrote the ten commandments Himself.

Exodus 34:1 ( NKJV ) 1And the Lord said to Moses, “Cut two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I will write on these tablets the words that were on the first tablets which you broke.

Believe what your bible says bugkiller!

 

[YosemiteSam]

here bugkiller,

i found some more verses for you. hope they help you out.

Exodus 3:13-14 ( NKJV ) 13Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to
them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say
to them?”
14And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM
has sent me to you.’”

John 8:52-59 ( NKJV ) 52Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and
the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’ 53Are You greater than our
father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”
54Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that
He is your God. 55Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be
a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he
saw it and was glad.”
57Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”
58Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
59Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through
the midst of them, and so passed by.

Now yall believe that Moses spoke to Christ at Mt. Sinai?

 

[JohnRabbit]

A major thing proves you wrong wabbit.

Jesus took the curse of the law to the tree. Gal 3:13. Do you think he redeemed all from just ceremonial or civil laws, and their curses?

Are you saying we were not redeemed from the curse of just some of the laws?

Gal 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”

Seen here,,COMMANDMENTS..and STATUES...otherwise curses. Both...

15 “But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord your God or be careful to do all his commandments and his statutes that I command you today, then all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you.


Cant be just some bro....


Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—

Unless you can tell me how we were redeemed from the 10 if they were not written on the book of de cov?

commandments and statutes are curses?

you need to get real partner!

with you thinking like that, it's no wonder, that you don't know what the curse of the law is.

the spiritual law is still binding! (the ten commandments)

and why are you focused on the curses of the law?

why not talk about the blessing of the law?

walking contrary to the ten commandments brings curses. some today say that they can't "catch a break" or " i always have bad luck".

you break the ten commandments and they break you.

but more importantly it is a sin against God to break them. (gen 39:9)

for this, god says you will die.

Ezekiel 18:20 ( NKJV ) 20The soul who sins shall die. ...

so, what is Christ redeeming us from? the law of God?

again, God gave us someting that was broken?

re·deem   (from dictionary.com)
–verb (used with object)
1. to buy or pay off; clear by payment: to redeem a mortgage.
2. to buy back, as after a tax sale or a mortgage foreclosure.
3. to recover (something pledged or mortgaged) by payment or other satisfaction: to redeem a pawned watch.
4. to exchange (bonds, trading stamps, etc.) for money or goods.
5. to convert (paper money) into specie.
6. to discharge or fulfill (a pledge, promise, etc.).
7. to make up for; make amends for; offset (some fault, shortcoming, etc.): His bravery redeemed his youthful idleness.
8. to obtain the release or restoration of, as from captivity, by paying a ransom.
9. Theology . to deliver from sin and its consequences by means of a sacrifice offered for the sinner.

Romans 6:6 ( NKJV ) 6knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done
away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

seems to be concerned about sin here and not law. looks like the "body of sin" is what paul was advocating getting rid of.

Romans 6:23 ( NKJV ) 23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

the penalty of sin is death. now i can see the Christ redeeming us from that, that's what makes sense to me.

i've always thought that Christ died for our sins and not for a broken law given by God.

it amazes me how you even come to that conclusion.

how about this:

Exodus 20:12 ( NKJV ) 12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

a commandment with a promised blessing built in!

and you are right to post gal 3:10, because that's what he didn't want for the galatians, the works of law, the book of the law, the mosaic law.

you know? the PART of the law that was written by moses:

Exodus 24:3-4 ( NKJV ) 3So Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord and all the judgments. And all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words which the Lord has said we will do.” 4And Moses wrote all the words of the Lord. And he rose early in the morning, and built an altar at the foot of the mountain, and twelve pillars according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

btw, verse 3 shows the COI agreeing with the tenets (thanks Vic) to the covenant, just like man and wife do in a marriage. you know, "i do".

now notice verse 7:

Exodus 24:7 ( NKJV ) 7Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the Lord has said we will do, and be obedient.”

now later in the same chapter:

Exodus 24:12 ( NKJV ) 12Then the Lord said to Moses, “Come up to Me on the mountain and be there; and I will give you tablets of stone, and the law and commandments which I have written, that you may teach them.”

 

[Deut 5:29]

Yes.

Did THE WORD OF GOD..Jesus, not know he would say through Paul, that we are not under law, the law is bondage, death, elemental, as a child, a strict pedagogue, works wrath, does not bring life, condemantion..etc..

Whoa Nelly..I could say more.

Yes He did and He also knew that people like you would misunderstand, misinterupt and misrepresent what He was saying through Paul.
Not to worry, you've already said too much.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Allmost all commentaries state that Melchizedek is a mystery. Who do you think he was?

 

[Deut 5:29]

Allmost all commentaries state that Melchizedek is a mystery. Who do you think he was?

After Jesus returned to heaven He resumed that office.

The Word was Melchizedek.

 

[VictorC]

Moses and many a prophet spoke Gods Own Words. I do not relegate those words to the man in whom they came.

What does that have to do with delineating the law of the Spirit from the law mediated by Moses? Is it your contention that God is nothing more than the created law? If so, then who created this rendition of "god"?

The Law retains jurisdication in the revealing, arousing and condemnation of THE LAWLESS for whom it was intended to be against. In that same LAW is the Spirit of LOVE. The LAW is simultaneously FOR LOVE and AGAINST lawlessness.

Are you familiar with the legal concept of jurisdiction? The law's purpose in revealing sin in us has no relationship to its jurisdiction.

I do not say that the power of sin or evil present IN ANY including MYSELF is LEGAL or LAW ABIDING, nor CAN it be. Love however DOES comply with EVERY jot and tittle of THE LAW as stipulated in Romans 13:8-10.

How does love for one another account for 75 lambs slaughtered every month?

The power of SIN and EVIL PRESENT cannot do that OR be LAWful in any way, shape or form. IF you insist that the LAW is and only consists of EXTERNAL FLESHLY ORDINANCE MATTERS that would be false presentation of LAW:

Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

I think you should leave law enforcement to those charged with enforcing the law during the tenure of the first covenant.

For the record I would not have any problem with ANYONE following the O.T. Laws as they see fit with the realization of the fact that the power of sin and evil present are not LAWFUL in them while so following. Paul exhibited this exact fact many times by participation in various legal matters, rituals etc etc.

You still haven't reconciled your affirmation of keeping the law by breaking it, and your short discourse dismisses God's reason to make a new covenant: the former covenant was violated by those it was given to, and no one was justified by the law.

Romans 4
13 For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, 15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression. ​

My observations have been made. No man is justified under the LAW because of what they carry in their flesh/mind, that being the power of SIN and EVIL PRESENT. Those things REMAIN condemned under LAW, condemned apart from LAW, condemned under GRACE, condemned apart from GRACE.

So salvation has not been extended to the Gentiles according to the promise to Abraham that in his Seed the nations (plural) would be blessed? This remains a point that you refuse to comment on. You're now confirming that no one will be justified by the law, and yet you don't recognize any solution that God has provided for this problem of universal condemnation. This is likely the reason you won't accept or deny our deliverance from the law as stated in Romans 7:6.

Never said you did that I recall. I certainly might have said that MANY have a hard time coming to grips with the fact that SATAN enters where THE WORD is sown (in man) and THAT ENTITY is and remains TOTALLY LAWLESS and utterly corrupt. I have no issues understanding this fact in the light of the disclosures of scripture.

The entry of SATAN is a scriptural fact and that fact goes a long way in helping understand these matters of LAW and of LOVE or the lack thereof AND inability OF man to 'be legal' regardless WHEN that entity is PRESENT with them.

None of the Biblical passages expressing our redemption mention anything about satan - satan is not a part of the Gospel. It remains your burden to show which one of the members here is representing satan, or else identify the person who is advocating sin on this forum.

 

[VictorC]

No the ten were not part of the book of the law...look back at Victors post where he shows, the ten in the ark under the mercy seat and the book of law was on the outside of the ark

The ten commandments are also documented in the book of the law. That's the reason we know what the ten commandments are, since we don't have access to the tablets of stone. 613 mitzvot embody the commandments conveyed by the first covenant, and they include the ten commandments documented in the book of the law.

 

[VictorC]

the spiritual law is still binding! (the ten commandments)

You have not identified the covenant conveyed from Mount Sinai, of which there was only one with that origin. If you want to contend that the ten commandments wasn't that covenant, it is incumbent on you to furnish the covenant, "the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage" (Galatians 4:24). You also fail to reconcile your preclusion with Romans 7:6, "now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by", and "the law" in this passage is identified as the ten commandments by quoting it in the following verse.

Didn't anyone ever tell you that old covenant Christianity is a oxymoron?

 

[YosemiteSam]

After Jesus returned to heaven He resumed that office.

The Word was Melchizedek.

I agree.

 

[YosemiteSam]

aint been out here lately folks...been sick...got a cold and having a time shaking it

 

[Frogster]

No the ten were not part of the book of the law...look back at Victors post where he shows, the ten in the ark under the mercy seat and the book of law was on the outside of the ark

So are you saying we were not redeemed from the curse of the whole law? The 10?

 

[Frogster]

commandments and statutes are curses?

you need to get real partner!

with you thinking like that, it's no wonder, that you don't know what the curse of the law is.

the spiritual law is still binding! (the ten commandments)

and why are you focused on the curses of the law?

why not talk about the blessing of the law?

walking contrary to the ten commandments brings curses. some today say that they can't "catch a break" or " i always have bad luck".

you break the ten commandments and they break you.

but more importantly it is a sin against God to break them. (gen 39:9)

for this, god says you will die.

Ezekiel 18:20 ( NKJV ) 20The soul who sins shall die. ...

so, what is Christ redeeming us from? the law of God?

again, God gave us someting that was broken?

re·deem   (from dictionary.com)
–verb (used with object)
1. to buy or pay off; clear by payment: to redeem a mortgage.
2. to buy back, as after a tax sale or a mortgage foreclosure.
3. to recover (something pledged or mortgaged) by payment or other satisfaction: to redeem a pawned watch.
4. to exchange (bonds, trading stamps, etc.) for money or goods.
5. to convert (paper money) into specie.
6. to discharge or fulfill (a pledge, promise, etc.).
7. to make up for; make amends for; offset (some fault, shortcoming, etc.): His bravery redeemed his youthful idleness.
8. to obtain the release or restoration of, as from captivity, by paying a ransom.
9. Theology . to deliver from sin and its consequences by means of a sacrifice offered for the sinner.

Romans 6:6 ( NKJV ) 6knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done
away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

seems to be concerned about sin here and not law. looks like the "body of sin" is what paul was advocating getting rid of.

Romans 6:23 ( NKJV ) 23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

the penalty of sin is death. now i can see the Christ redeeming us from that, that's what makes sense to me.

i've always thought that Christ died for our sins and not for a broken law given by God.

it amazes me how you even come to that conclusion.

how about this:

Exodus 20:12 ( NKJV ) 12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

a commandment with a promised blessing built in!

and you are right to post gal 3:10, because that's what he didn't want for the galatians, the works of law, the book of the law, the mosaic law.

you know? the PART of the law that was written by moses:

Exodus 24:3-4 ( NKJV ) 3So Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord and all the judgments. And all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words which the Lord has said we will do.” 4And Moses wrote all the words of the Lord. And he rose early in the morning, and built an altar at the foot of the mountain, and twelve pillars according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

btw, verse 3 shows the COI agreeing with the tenets (thanks Vic) to the covenant, just like man and wife do in a marriage. you know, "i do".

now notice verse 7:

Exodus 24:7 ( NKJV ) 7Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the Lord has said we will do, and be obedient.”

now later in the same chapter:

Exodus 24:12 ( NKJV ) 12Then the Lord said to Moses, “Come up to Me on the mountain and be there; and I will give you tablets of stone, and the law and commandments which I have written, that you may teach them.”

Ohhhhh Rabbit....

No no no..redeemed from the curses of BREAKING THE LAW...is what I said.

In this long scrolling post, you avoided the simple question.

Were we redeemed from only a part of the curse of the law..the 10 were not included in that redemption?

One more time..


Deut 27:26 “‘Cursed be anyone who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’


here....


Gal 3:10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”


Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—

I await.

 

[bugkiller]

No no no..your posting the same thing again, with all due respect, what your saying to do, is to be like a guy driving, only looking in the rear view mirror..bad instructions.


Again..yes, there is the flesh, but God took it to the cross, now we await our new bodies.


24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

There is a solution.

Provided the driver is going forward. I kinda like your illustration.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

No the ten were not part of the book of the law...look back at Victors post where he shows, the ten in the ark under the mercy seat and the book of law was on the outside of the ark

That is weird. How do we know about them. I thought the Torah was the book of the law. What do you call the book of the law?

bugkiller

 

[Frogster]

No the ten were not part of the book of the law...look back at Victors post where he shows, the ten in the ark under the mercy seat and the book of law was on the outside of the ark

Read through Exodus, and watch the unfolding, and you tell me why the 10 were not written in the book? And it says the BLOOD OF THE COV TOO.

Ex 24:3 Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord and all the rules. [1] And all the people answered with one voice and said, “All the words that the Lord has spoken we will do.” 4 And Moses wrote down all the words of the Lord. He rose early in the morning and built an altar at the foot of the mountain, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel. 5 And he sent young men of the people of Israel, who offered burnt offerings and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen to the Lord. 6 And Moses took half of the blood and put it in basins, and half of the blood he threw against the altar. 7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do, and we will be obedient.” 8 And Moses took the blood and threw it on the people and said, “Behold the blood of the covenant that the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words.”


More from Hebrews 9



18 Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. 19 For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you.”

 

[Frogster]

Provided the driver is going forward. I kinda like your illustration.

bugkiller

Amen..

 

[Frogster]

That is weird. How do we know about them. I thought the Torah was the book of the law. What do you call the book of the law?

bugkiller

Makes perfect sens to me, what your saying.