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How do you reconcile that with Hebrews 10:9 quoted in the previous post?
I have no issues with the utter destruction of every sinner, particularly those who are led to draw back from Grace, emphasis on LED. No person is alone in their SIN. The DEVILS are involved and the drawn back are compelled back to being blinded slaves of same, WHOM I DO NOT CONDEMN, but LOVE, and so does God in Christ whose LEAD I follow.
And, how do you reconcile this with Romans 7:6-7 declaring that we have been delivered from the law that held us in the past tense (the recipients didn't keep it; the law kept the recipients)?
Already stated prior. Where the Word, particularly LAW is sown, SATAN enters the heart(s.) Though WE as believers CAN FULFILL every commandment IN LOVE, that working of SATAN in mankind CANNOT either LOVE or be LAWFUL in the flesh.
The LAW remains written against THOSE lawless ones and the devils are assuredly LAWLESS.
That law was identified by a quote "You shall not covet", which is found only in the covenant from Mount Sinai, the ten commandments.
All of the laws in the Romans 13 linking to LOVE are found in the O.T. Laws in multiple places.
The law provide many lessons for us, but it does not remain the binding Suzerainty covenant with compliance requisite for life, as it was conveyed to the children of Israel during its tenure.
Another common but faulted methodology of O.T. LAW ELIMINATION. Jesus said that MAN SHALL LIVE by EVERY WORD of God, not just Israel of the O.T. Law. Paul also tells us that the LAW was meant to shut up EVERY MOUTH (not just the mouths of O.T. Israel) and make THE WHOLE WORLD guilty before God in Romans 3:19, so no, the notion that the O.T. LAW was only for O.T. Israel is patently false.
Galatians 3:10-14 tells us how we have been redeemed from the book of the law to enable the blessing of the Seed of Abraham to be attained by the nations in the plural. The law alienated the Gentiles from that promise during its tenure, as Ephesians 2:11-16 explains in better detail.
Call and election is an interesting topic. You do however understand that ALL the people of Israel are GODS CHILDREN according to THE WORD of God in the scriptures? (See Deut. 14:1 or Psalm 82:6 as examples) This status did not change for them on the basis of 'BELIEF.' There were those who were ELECT to hear and obey. The others were INTENTIONALLY blinded by Gods Words ala Romans 11:8's observation (and other N.T. citings.) These also show again and again the BLINDING PRINCIPLE that Jesus taught clearly...that where THE WORD is sown SATAN, another ENTITY that is NOT the people does assuredly ENTER the hearts and BLINDS people to the realities and fulness of GODS WORDS and SINS in them by STEALING the Word, which is A SIN that is done BY SATAN in them but is NOT of the people STOLEN FROM. This principle is ROCK SOLID teaching but 'few' are able to grasp that reality for themselves because of that same BLINDING POWER.
As I mentioned, the law provides lessons, and Paul affirms that love fulfills it. That isn't compliance to the law in the flesh that Paul also affirms all to be disobedient to in Romans 11:32.
Ultimately it was GOD HIMSELF who bound ALL MEN with disobedience in order to DEMONSTRATE/DISTRIBUTE His Mercy unto those same ALL.
HOW does this happen is a more interesting observation. The WORD is sown and the DISOBEDIENT ONE(s) enter the heart, that would be SATAN. The DISOBEDIENT entered therein in ALL. That is WHY no one is righteous, no not one and no one seeks and no one hears and all have sin. Where THE WORD is sown THERE Satan enters.
Those Words remain with us today as lessons to draw upon. But does that indicate the we have not been redeemed from the previous covenant that alienated the Gentiles and denied them salvation? No.
The Covenant of LOVE was contained in the fleshly ordinances, but NOT revealed/unveiled until GRACE and TRUTH in Christ Jesus shed HIS LIGHT WORDS thereupon.
The passage this thought comes from (Matthew 5:17-18) contains the qualification "till all is fulfilled", and treats the law in the same way as the prophets. Did Jesus fulfill the law in His propitiation? Yes.
Yes, but there remains HIS LOVE fulfilling THE LAW IN US who believe. The notion that there is some abstract/detached fulfillment by ONLY HIM that we draw upon is false. It is HE who LOVES in US and thereby PROVES again and again THE FULFILLMENT of THE LAW in LOVE.
That's the design of the law affirmed in Galatians 3:
22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.Once faith in our Redeemer is attained, we are no longer in the jurisdiction of the law's tutelage.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
In the order of fleshly fulfillment, YES. In order of Spiritual Fulfillment, that continues as a fulfillment of O.T. LAW to an ENHANCED degree.
That is the reason the book of the law was placed outside the ark of the covenant, "that it may be there as a witness against you" (Deuteronomy 31:26), but that status does not apply to those redeemed from that first covenant.
Were any of mankind ALONE in the matters of LAW I could agree with your premise, but that is assuredly NOT the case as pointed out multiple times.
Paul had the presence of indwelling sin which same he termed NO LONGER I. Paul also had EVIL PRESENT with him. I do not adhere to the EVIL PAUL camp. EVIL was present with him and that same was OF THE DEVIL who enters the hearts where the WORD (which was Mightily) SOWN in him. Paul also had A DEVIL.
It is quite absurd then to view Paul or ANY PERSON other than Jesus Christ as MAN ALONE in the light of that fact. IF what Jesus taught IS a fact, THEN logic dictates that MANKIND is not alone, but SATAN has entered their hearts. Believers CAN dissect THEMSELVES away from FLESHLY LAW OBEDIENCE, but the WORKING of LAWLESSNES which same is OF THE DEVIL is, remains and is STILL CARRIED in all people to this day.
That working is NOT graced, justified, removed from THE LAW or granted anything by Gods Words but CONDEMNATION. For any believer to not be aware of this fact for themselves will simply lead them into various confusions and divisions. When a believer who reads the scriptures and sees 'where the Word is sown SATAN enters the heart' and says in their heart---> that does not happen to me, THEY HAVE in fact already been blinded BY that same power.
There is no one who is lawless,
Uh, the devil has been a liar, a thief, a sinner and a murderer from the beginning. Indeed satan and his family are LAWLESS without question.
but for God's redeemed we have been given His promise "Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more".That brings an interesting light onto Matthew 7:23, which says ""And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'". Who's lawlessness was remembered; those feigning compliance or those redeemed in God's adoption?
And you might consider that IF satan enters the hearts where the Word is sown, then SATAN or his devils are IN believers and will HEAR THOSE WORDS of Jesus.
enjoy!
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