Who did away with the law?

[Frogster]

what do you think i be doing?

What was written in stone, now set aside?

2 Cor 3;7 Now if the ministry of death, chiselled in letters on stone tablets, came in glory so that the people of Israel could not gaze at Moses’ face because of the glory of his face, a glory now set aside, 8how much more will the ministry of the Spirit come in glory? 9For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, much more does the ministry of justification abound in glory! 10Indeed, what once had glory has lost its glory because of the greater glory; 11for if what was set aside came through glory, much more has the permanent come in glory!

What cov was being spoken of here?

Hebrews 10:8-9 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second.

 

[VictorC]

Doesnt Pauline doctrine seem to suggest that we are not under the Law anymore...Matthew 5 seems to suggest it's still valid and we should follow it. (oh not this again! Now Im confused once more regarding this topic!)

Matthew 5 was given during the tenure of the first covenant. Hebrews 9:15-16 describes when the new covenant came into existence with the death of the Testator, when He made propitiation to fulfill the law.

 

[bugkiller]

Actually He did, and much more.

scriptural proof,please.

bugkiller

 

[JohnRabbit]

You have opined in agreement with us that the first husband was to die before the woman was free to marry another, but you stop short when you see Romans 7:4 leveraging the marriage analogy to define the woman as God's redeemed and the first husband as the law we have been delivered from.

Passages abound that describe God's husbandry to the children of Israel apart from the covenant from Mount Sinai, and this same imagery exists in the new covenant as well. That isn't the whole picture, however, and Galatians 4:4-7 describes God as our Father with us His adopted children.

The covenant from Mount Sinai was defined in concrete terms as the ten commandments that was agreed upon (Exodus 19:8) along with the book of the law (Exodus 24:7).

Exactly. The first covenant wasn't a marriage relationship; the first covenant was the law, and not God.

You're already on record observing that the first husband died.

to you it is the law, but to paul it was sin read verse 7

verse 13, "was then that which is good made death unto me?

then paul answers "no, but sin!"

and btw, marriage is a covenant.

 

[JohnRabbit]

expected comments from those who fabricate their teaching about the law.

that's your opinion and you're surely welcome to it!

i'm not the one trying to throw God's law under the bus.

 

[JohnRabbit]

You have yet to show how those who know the law better than you do are "law haters". This is merely ad hominem employed to opt out of rational discussion.

i don't have to, you're doing fine by yourself!

 

[Frogster]

ok

the law is Holy, just, and good verse 12

is the law sin? verse 7

the law is spiritual verse 14

i had not known sin but for the law verse 7

with the mind i myself serve the law of God verse 25

and you want to do away with God's law, amazing!

All that was just a small part of the text though wasn't it?

He opened 7 with realeased from letter..dying to the law...Then went back over the dynamics of the law..only to realize life in the Spirit as per chapter 8.

Prooftexting is a common error nowadays.

Do you now understand this verse? See what he means?..In other words he is not under the law system anymore, or he would be all bound up in legalism, like he called his FORMER LIFE..in Phil.




18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor

I hope that helps.

 

[VictorC]

to you it is the law, but to paul it was sin read verse 7

What to you was sin? Making a comment without referring to context leaves me with no idea what you mean. Romans 7:7 identifies the law discussed as the ten commandments, and yet you don't see that it is the same law discussed in verse 6.

verse 13, "was then that which is good made death unto me?
then paul answers "no, but sin!"

Followed immediately by "But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment...". An attention span that doesn't exceed one sentence leaves you incognizant of the author's message.

and btw, marriage is a covenant.

But marriage isn't the covenant ordained at Mount Sinai, is it?

 

[Frogster]

that's your opinion and you're surely welcome to it!

i'm not the one trying to throw God's law under the bus.

No..just leave it on the cross.

 

[VictorC]

i don't have to, you're doing fine by yourself!

More argumentum ad hominem, usually employed as a last resort when you have no content to contribute, and your sole defense is calling others names.

 

[bugkiller]

once again, thanks for your contribution.

Well I guess I can post the same meaningless post pertaining to the discussion, but I want to know where the scripture says Christ died so we could keep the law. It is an old idea I heard form the SDA camp.

By your comment I don't think you can support with scripture. It seems to me that you are just racking up blessings for posting.

bugkiller

 

[Cribstyl]

Doesnt Pauline doctrine seem to suggest that we are not under the Law anymore...Matthew 5 seems to suggest it's still valid and we should follow it. (oh not this again! Now Im confused once more regarding this topic!)

Truth that many people dont recognized is.....The catholic church had establish the 10 commandment as the law for christianity for 1500yrs. Then claiming to change saturday to sunday to claim keeping the sabbath commandment, and having authority to change the law.

Truth is, Christians began worshipping not sabbathkeeping.


Matt 5 show the beginning of Christ ministery to the Jews. Christ words meant that not one comma will change from the books of Law or the prophets scripture. Why would God change what He said would happen through the mouths of prophets?

Truth is....Change of the law was already written into the Law and the prophets.

 

[JohnRabbit]

What to you was sin? Making a comment without referring to context leaves me with no idea what you mean. Romans 7:7 identifies the law discussed as the ten commandments, and yet you don't see that it is the same law discussed in verse 6.

Followed immediately by "But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment...". An attention span that doesn't exceed one sentence leaves you incognizant of the author's message.

But marriage isn't the covenant ordained at Mount Sinai, is it?

your attention span maybe, because paul said he served the law! unless you've cut verse 25 out of your bible!

 

[Cribstyl]

that's your opinion and you're surely welcome to it!

i'm not the one trying to throw God's law under the bus.

Dude....

We post the scripture that we follow as doctrines. You post statements or selected text that are taken out of context.
Why do you expect your comment to overshaddow the scriptures you often contradict?

 

[VictorC]

your attention span maybe, because paul said he served the law! unless you've cut verse 25 out of your bible!

John, you forgot to mention that verse 25 also shows Paul serving the law of sin. Misrepresenting a passage of Scripture by omission as you do is promoting a lie.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Dude....

We post the scripture that we follow as doctrines. You post statements or selected text that are taken out of context.
Why do you expect your comment to overshaddow the scriptures you often contradict?

ok, what law will go forth from zion in the thousand year reign of the Christ?

 

[Cribstyl]

ok, what law will go forth from zion in the thousand year reign of the Christ?

Dont tell me, the ten commandments right??
That not gospel friend, that's flim flam.

 

[bugkiller]

Truth is....Change of the law was already written into the Law and the prophets.

Gets a big and it brother from me.

bugkiller

 

[Frogster]

Dont tell me, the ten commandments right??
That not gospel friend, that's flim flam.

Me too!

 

[98cwitr]

Truth is....Change of the law was already written into the Law and the prophets.

You mind posting that claim(s) from scripture plz?