What if Mary appeared to you? [MOVED TO MARIOLOGY]

[lionroar0]

Lol..only Catholics think that is Mary in rev. But that is for another thread.

Fact is when the bible says dead, it means that the person is no longer on earth, and not to be contacted.

It's my understanding that the whole interpretation of the woman in revelation as jerusalem or the church is a innovation of Scripture and the interpretation that Mary is the woman in revelation is spoken of by the ECFS.

 

[tadoflamb]

According to you everything that comes from the CC is Satanic. .

But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "This man drives out demons only by the power of Beelzebul, the prince of demons." (Matthew 12:24)

 

[Dark_Lite]

Jesus is God and the transfiguration happened for his good purposes.

And who's to say various Marian apparitions didn't happen for the same good purposes? I don't think this would be too hard for a being of infinite power. Just like simon you are attaching an arbitrary, vague objection because Marian apparitions disagree with your belief.

Big difference of Jesus doing as he wishes, compared to "sightings".

Same as above.

 

[Dark_Lite]

Hmm after reading the new pages in this thread, I can only assume:

1. It has degenerated into the usual strawman arguments.
2. Most Protestants in this thread seem to have a magic demon sense that tells them what is and what is not demonic.

 

[RobertMerton]

I would rebuke it too.

In a similar way to how Jesus rebuked Peter

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=Dark_Lite;And who's to say various Marian apparitions didn't happen for the same good purposes?

Anyone at all.

I don't think this would be too hard for a being of infinite power.

She ain't & it ain't about difficulty.

Just like simon you are attaching an arbitrary, vague objection because Marian apparitions disagree with your belief.

Your vague, arbitrary affirmations only agree with your belief.

Wasn't that refreshing?

Same as above.[/quote]

 

[Rick Otto]

Hmm after reading the new pages in this thread, I can only assume:

1. It has degenerated into the usual strawman arguments.
2. Most Protestants in this thread seem to have a magic demon sense that tells them what is and what is not demonic.

Typical empty disparagement.
Get thee behind me.

 

[Jakihe]

Hmm after reading the new pages in this thread, I can only assume:

1. It has degenerated into the usual strawman arguments.

2. Most Protestants in this thread seem to have a magic demon sense that tells them what is and what is not demonic.

It's called The Holy Spirit. It isn't magic though but of God

 

[Rick Otto]

Our whole point is that they are not dead, they are now alive in Christ.

Your whole point is beside the point. They ARE deceased whether you redefine "dead" or not.

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=lionroar0;So every Catholic that prays to a Saint is a medium or necromancer?

Yes, more or less.

IS Jesus a medium or necromancer when he spoke with Moses and Elijah?

No. He's not Catholic, He's God. I realize the two are commonly confused.

 

[martymonster]

So every Catholic that prays to a Saint is a medium or necromancer?

IS Jesus a medium or necromancer when he spoke with Moses and Elijah?

Elijah and Moses weren't really talking with Jesus, it was just a vision and it was for the disciples benefit.

 

[Dark_Lite]

Typical empty disparagement.
Get thee behind me.

I can see you didn't read the whole thread.

It's called The Holy Spirit. It isn't magic though but of God

And how do you know it's the Holy Spirit? Why do you assume that the Holy Spirit is telling you that?

Your whole point is beside the point. They ARE deceased whether you redefine "dead" or not.

"I'm right and that's that" is not a good line of argument.

Elijah and Moses weren't really talking with Jesus, it was just a vision and it was for the disciples benefit.

Finally, an actual explanation of why the apparition of Elijah and Moses is not valid evidence for apparitions. Of course, now you're just reading your own beliefs into the plain meaning of Scripture. But, at least it is an actual objection besides "God told me so" or "Because it is."

 

[Yarddog]

Angels can even deliver a false gospel as per Gal 1, and 2 Cor 11. How do you know the "visitations" are not demons, and won't be used to deceive?

Do you have the Spirit of God within you? All you are doing is showing your lack of faith. When the angel appeared to Mary, did she know that this was from God? You bet your sweet little lily pad that she did. If you really have the Spirit of God within you then you will know what is from God.

If you don't, then you can get fooled.

Lets face it, if tonight she appeared to most Catholics, they would all introject her words.

What is wrong with taking a truly humble child of God's words and taking them within. If Jesus were to appear to you wouldn't you?

 

[RobertMerton]

Let's face it.

the bible does describe satan as a thief who comes in the night.
the one who comes to steal, kill and destory.

the one who puts himself up as an 'angel of the light'.

best to be discerning.

 

[Dark_Lite]

Let's face it.

the bible does describe satan as a thief who comes in the night.
the one who comes to steal, kill and destory.

the one who puts himself up as an 'angel of the light'.

best to be discerning.

No one here is advocating taking any apparition at face value. They must be evaluated and tested against the Christian faith. What some people here are advocating, however, is brushing aside any and all apparitions or visions that deal with Mary because it fits into their bubble of misconceptions about Catholicism.

 

[Yarddog]

best to be discerning.

That is correct. We should not start out saying what we would do, but instead rely on the Spirit to discern for us, if it is good or evil.

 

[MamaZ]

I would say get thee behind me.

 

[Jakihe]

Do you have the Spirit of God within you? All you are doing is showing your lack of faith. When the angel appeared to Mary, did she know that this was from God? You bet your sweet little lily pad that she did. If you really have the Spirit of God within you then you will know what is from God.

If you don't, then you can get fooled.

What is wrong with taking a truly humble child of God's words and taking them within. If Jesus were to appear to you wouldn't you?

I'm not so sure, to be honest.
I am only speaking for myself and what I believe at this point but I don't know that I would necessarily trust a vision of Christ. I will know it's him for certain when I see him appear with his angels and the sound of a trumpet.

 

[lionroar0]

Elijah and Moses weren't really talking with Jesus, it was just a vision and it was for the disciples benefit.

1After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. 3Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

 

[Deut 5:29]

Me personally, I would rebuke it in Jesus name!

YES. Finally. It's a miracle!