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Who did away with the law?

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The notion that the death on the cross abolishes or does away the moral law is a fairly new introduction into Christianity, within the 20th century. Here is what bible commentators had to say about the validity of God's moral law based on
Romans 3:31 Do we then make the Law void through faith? Let it not be! But we establish the Law



Barnes
That is, by the doctrine of justification by faith; by this scheme of treating people as righteous,
the moral law is confirmed, its obligation is enforced, obedience to it is secured.

Clarke
We may understand, also, the moral law, that which relates to the regulation of the manners or conduct of men. This law also was established by the doctrine of salvation by faith; because this faith works by love, and love is the principle of obedience: and whosoever receives salvation through faith in Christ, receives power to live in holy obedience to every moral precept; for such are God’s workmanship, created anew in Christ Jesus, unto good works; in which they find it their duty and their interest incessantly to live.


Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible

This one volume commentary was prepared by Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset and David Brown and published in 1871

31. Do we then make void the law through faith?--"Does this doctrine of justification by faith, then, dissolve the obligation of the law? If so, it cannot be of God. But away with such a thought, for it does just the reverse."
God forbid: yea, we establish the law--It will be observed here, that, important as was this objection, and opening up as it did so noble a field for the illustration of the peculiar glory of the Gospel, the apostle does no more here than indignantly repel it, intending at a subsequent stage of his argument ( Romans 6:1-23 ) to resume and discuss it at length.



Geneva Study Bible
(13) The taking away of an objection: yet the law is not therefore taken away, but is rather established, as it will be declared in its proper place.
(h) Vain, void, to no purpose, and of no power.
(i) We make the law effectual and strong.


John Darby's Synopsis of the New Testament
Is it then that faith overturned the authority of law? By no means. It established completely the authority of law; but it made man participate in divine righteousness, while acknowledging his just and total condemnation by the law when under it-a condemnation which made another righteousness necessary, since according to the law man had none-had none of his own. The law demanded righteousness, but it shewed sin was there. If righteousness which it demanded had not been necessary, when it failed to produce it in man, there was no need of another. Now faith affirmed this need and the validity of man's condemnation under law, by making the believer participate in this other righteousness, which is that of God.



John Gill's Exposition of the Bible
yea, we establish the law.
The law is not made void, neither by the grace nor doctrine of faith: not by the grace of faith; for that faith is not right which is not attended with works of righteousness; and those works are not right which do not flow from filth. Such a connection there is between faith and works; and so much do the one depend upon the other. Moreover, none but believers are capable of performing good works aright, and they do them, and they ought to do them: besides, faith, as a grace, looks to Christ, as the end of the law for righteousness, and therefore do not make it void. Nor is it made void by the doctrine of faith, and by the particular doctrine of a sinner's justification by faith in Christ's righteousness, which is here more especially intended; for though it is made void by it, as to any use of it for justification by the deeds thereof; yet its use in other respects is not set aside, such as to inform us of the mind and will of God, to discover and convince of sin, to show believers their deformity and imperfection, to render Christ and his righteousness more valuable, and to be a rule of walk and conversation to them; and it still remains a cursing and condemning law to Christless sinners, though justified ones are delivered from it as such: yea, the law is so far from being made void, that it is established by this doctrine

Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible
He obviates an objection (v. 31), as if this doctrine did nullify the law, which they knew came from God: "No,’’ says he, "though we do say that the law will not justify us, yet we do not therefore say that it was given in vain, or is of no use to us; no, we establish the right use of the law, and secure its standing, by fixing it on the right basis. The law is still of use to convince us of what is past, and to direct us for the future; though we cannot be saved by it as a covenant, yet we own it, and submit to it, as a rule in the hand of the Mediator, subordinate to the law of grace; and so are so far from overthrowing that we establish the law.’’ Let those consider this who deny the obligation of the moral law on believers.

Scofield Reference Notes
The sinner establishes the law in its right use and honour by confessing his guilt, and acknowledging that by it he is justly condemned. Christ, on the sinner's behalf, establishes the law by enduring its penalty, death

Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary, 1859 edition
Because the figures and types of the law of Moses, and the predictions of the prophets, are fulfilled. 2. Because Christians are now taught to fulfil the moral precepts, and the chief part of the law, with greater perfection, in the spirit of faith, charity,
 
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The notion that the death on the cross abolishes or does away the moral law is a fairly new introduction into Christianity, within the 20th century. Here is what bible commentators had to say about the validity of God's moral law based on
Romans 3:31 Do we then make the Law void through faith? Let it not be! But we establish the Law
The cross did away with the need of justifying ourselves by the law. Those that refuse the cross still have the law as their justifying standard.
 
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The law never was a justifying standard. Was King David justified by the law? If he relied on his law observance for justification then he is a lost soul.
Those men of faith understood that but most all failed to do that and tried to justify themselves by what they could never do.

Today we have the same in effect. Too many Christians believe that obeying the law is a necessity to attain heaven.
 
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Those men of faith understood that but most all failed to do that and tried to justify themselves by what they could never do.

Today we have the same in effect. Too many Christians believe that obeying the law is a necessity to attain heaven.

Seems more believe it is necessary to obolish or do away with the law to attain heaven
 
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Seems more believe it is necessary to obolish or do away with the law to attain heaven
The key to salvation is obeying the Spirit of God which he gave us through our faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying a list of laws. Righteousness comes through faith.
 
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Seems more believe it is necessary to obolish or do away with the law to attain heaven
I noticed you are a member of seventh day adventists, may I ask what exactly are you bringing up the Law for? You and I know what for. I don't think this has to do with morals, because a man of faith in love with Christ, keeps the Law of love Christ he has ordained and the guidelines and principles the apostles have left for the believers. These blessed principles are in order not to attain heaven but to remain true in our faith. For we are justifed by faith and that is not of ourselves but a gift of God and we establish the law and say that it is good because we keep the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ. Which our Lord Jesus Christ is our New Mediator and has removed us from the letter that we may serve him in spirit and under the guidance of love. And we all know what are the characteristics of love, which are known as the fruits of the spirit. Through Love we fulfill the old requirements of the law. Those who are led by the spirit and walk in love are not under the law. For we are saved by grace and that is not of ourselves lest any man should boast but faith through Christ Jesus our Lord and King.
 
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I noticed you are a member of seventh day adventists, may I ask what exactly are you bringing up the Law for? You and I know what for. I don't think this has to do with morals, because a man of faith in love with Christ, keeps the Law of love Christ he has ordained and the guidelines and principles the apostles have left for the believers. These blessed principles are in order not to attain heaven but to remain true in our faith. For we are justifed by faith and that is not of ourselves but a gift of God and we establish the law and say that it is good because we keep the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ. Which our Lord Jesus Christ is our New Mediator and has removed us from the letter that we may serve him in spirit and under the guidance of love. And we all know what are the characteristics of love, which are known as the fruits of the spirit. Through Love we fulfill the old requirements of the law. Those who are led by the spirit and walk in love are not under the law. For we are saved by grace and that is not of ourselves lest any man should boast but faith through Christ Jesus our Lord and King.


I have no ulterior motive. During my study of Romans I came accross clarke's and Barnes commentaries on Romans 3:31. That peaked my interest into what other prominent scholars said on the verse. I didn't come accross one that stated the law was done away with, passed away, or had no meaning for the Christian. It seems that no biblical scholars have felt the necessity to do away with the law until fairly recently.

While serving in the spirit which precept would you be violating in the letter? As the commentators state living in the spirit is a higher standard than living to the letter.

Do you believe that King david was justified by his observance to the law?
Another words do you believe the observance to the law under the old covenant is what justified the believer in God's sight?
 
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Law can mean the OT, as in Law and Prophets. The whole of the OT. Jesus called the Psalms the law in John 10 and 15, and Paul quoted Isaiah in 1 Cor 14, and called it the law. The people called the OT the law in John 12.

First we see a quote from the “LAW”, the OT. Faith was in the OT..the “LAW”

Rom 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”

Now More OT quotes from chapter 3..(stay with me, I am going somewhere)..


Romans 3:10-18.
As it is written:

“ There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
13 “ Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;

“ The poison of asps is under their lips”;
14 “ Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “ Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known.”
18 “ There is no fear of God before their eyes.”


Now look, he called those previous OT verses, (Romans 3:10-18) that were not Moses, the LAW. Paul is thinking OT!. It was about those verses, when he says LAW in verse 19 below.

Romans 3:19
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.


Again coming up in 21, he is referring the the OT..again, about righteoueness being in the Law and the Prophets. OT. Again, he is thinking OT(stay with me please). Notice he says apart from the law,which by comparison with the Law and the Prophets, must mean that he is showing that he has in mind the righteousness that was in the whole of the OT.


Romans 3:21
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,



What he is really saying in the favorite verse of lawkeepers,(Rom 3:31) is that the, THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS, THE WHOLE OF THE OT..is established or confirmed. Not that we are bound under the Mosaic law. Faith does not nullify the OT, it was there all along.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law. (the whole of the OT, that had spoken of justification by faith)


Notice he says..what does the SCRIPTURE say.


Next he is referring the the OT again, SCRIPTURE! Romans 4:3. He used David and Abraham as his OT example, to show that faith is upholding the whole of the OT, as per Romans 3:31. Because we also know from Galatians 3:12, that the law is not of faith. Romans 4:3 confirms the thought, that Paul was talking the whole of the OT.That is why he headed towards the OT example again,like how he opened the letter in Rom 1:17.

Romans 4:3
For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”


In other words, faith upholds the OT, the scriptures, the Law and the Prophets. So no… our faith that was spoken of in the OT, does not eradicate or overthrow the OT it was there along, and now fulfilled.. The usage of law (nomos) in 3:31 means the whole of the OT.


Thanks, Frogster.
 
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The cross did away with the need of justifying ourselves by the law. Those that refuse the cross still have the law as their justifying standard.
:amen:And Jesus Christ has no effect for them. IOW they are not redeemed (saved) as Gal 5:4 states.

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The law never was a justifying standard. Was King David justified by the law? If he relied on his law observance for justification then he is a lost soul.
Then what do you do with Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the for rigteousness?

I really don't think that David relied on the law for his righteousness. Psalms 32:2 Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Paul discusses this in Romans 4.

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The law never was a justifying standard. Was King David justified by the law? If he relied on his law observance for justification then he is a lost soul.

Not really, it says you who "rely" on the law in Romans 2:17. So to the Jews the law was an umbrella, hence we have all the mirror verses that say they were not justified by law. Paul would not have said it so much, if it was not their salvation, that the "Gentiles sinners" were not a part of. They were atoned for, so therefore "saved".
 
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The law never was a justifying standard. Was King David justified by the law? If he relied on his law observance for justification then he is a lost soul.

What was written in stone, that was brought to an end?;)

7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? 9 For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. 10 Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. 11 For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.
 
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Seems more believe it is necessary to obolish or do away with the law to attain heaven
Spoken by a true law pusher. We are not doing away with the law. God did away with the covenant established at Sinai as He said in Jer 31:31-34. Jesus witnessed that this new covenant is current in Mat 26:28 with these words: For this is My blood of the new testament (covenant)...

The scripture also shows that the law (ten commandments and the rest of the law of Moses) was temparary in Gal 3:19 by the use of the word added (annexed) and till. It started 430 years after Abraham and ceased when the Seed (Jesus) came.

Now your concern is that we can now sin with wild abandon. Buut you won't consider Gal 5:13, 16-21. I am not ignoring the verses between 13 and 16. I am focusing on the fact that Christians do not sin by following the law but by being led of the Spirit.

Your problem is the limited focus of what sin is. For instance sin is also everything that is not of faith Romans 14:23b. All unrighteousness is sin... I John 5:17

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The cross did away with the need of justifying ourselves by the law. Those that refuse the cross still have the law as their justifying standard.

The cross does not do away with that because that was not true in the first place. Because the jews at that time looked at it that way, doesn't mean it was right. The law was never for justification therefore the cross cannot do away with something that never was.
 
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The cross does not do away with that because that was not true in the first place. Because the jews at that time looked at it that way, doesn't mean it was right. The law was never for justification therefore the cross cannot do away with something that never was.
Explain this verse: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

I am very interested in the highlighted. This covenant is identified in Deut 4:13 as the ten commandments written in stone which is the law.

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No I believe king david was justified by his faith, we observe the law and agree it is good because of our faith in Jesus Christ. But to follow the old laws you must keep the entire law not just take pieces and parts because to follow the old testament is to place yourself under the law of moses, that no man could keep. Its something very hard for us to understand because we are gentiles, we were never given a law in the jewish sense. We lived according to our own idols and our own gods. But for the jews after Christ came he delivered them from the law what they could not keep including all the dietary laws, ceremonial, even the ten commandments. He became the fulfillment meaning he lived and walked the entire law perfectly and became also the sacrifical requirement for that law. That we would no longer be held accountable to that law but now to Jesus Christ and the teachings he commanded the apostles to adhere to which was for a guideline to keep us in our Faith. We are not without law for we are still held by the Law of love in Christ but not the old testament laws. Following the principles and teachings of the apostles and with grace and mercy we also establish the old law and fulfill it. But we are not saved by observing or trying to keep the law, for in that we will fail. We are saved by our faith in Christ Jesus." For if righteousness come from the law, then Christ died in vain." I personally don't listen to commentators often because I've ran into some very interesting material that could be brought into question. To your question pertaining to do I believe a believer would have been justified by his observance of the law in the eyes of the Lord? No, I dont believe he would have justified them by their observation of the law. Alot of them were atheist and alot of them would not keep the law,thats exactly why God had so many problems with them because of unbelief. In romans it tells us that the law enticed sin within us, it brought death, it revealed our sin. King David was a foreshadow of Christ his Faith helped him keep the law, he delighted in the old law because of his faith, he understood forgiveness, mercy that keeping his law with faith brought him peace, and was a lamp to his feet. A man is justified by his faith, his belief in his Father and this belief creates love for his Father, thats his justification and with his love he keeps his Father's word for his spiritual progress and growth also known as sanctification. Being under the new law of Christ we don't have the burdensome of the entire torah,just love for God and our Neighbor. And having a heart like King david towards Christ we believe in Christ being the Son Of God, word made flesh, and we uphold his commandments not for salvation, for salvation came the moment we truly believed, we hold it because we have believed him and now love him.
 
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