Proposition 8 overturned in California

[laconicstudent]

Do you need to ask that?

Yes, since you didn't bother explaining yourself.

If your ancestors were all gay, i bet you wouldn't have been around to make that comment.

Your right, but since people will be homosexual anyways, regardless of whether society is bigoted against them or not, I don't get the relevance of that remark.

All who stand by the truth, will be vindicated by the truth.

I know. But some of us don't think shoving our morality down other people's throats is very attractive, in the meantime.

Homosexuality is a problem, it needs to be solved and not accepted.

Of course, no psychological association agrees with your definition of "homosexuality" as a "problem".

 

[Archer93]

..... God will stand as the sole judge of any society that institutes same sex marriages.

In which case, you don't need to worry about it.
Render unto Caeser that which is Caeser's, render unto God that which is God's.

 

[Chyke4real]

Prop 8 violates the Constitution. Earlier I posted 13 facts that show that the ruling was correct. You are free to attempt to refute those facts, but you will not be successful.

Which constitution? That of man or divinity? The last time i checked, this was supposed to be a CHRISTIAN FORUM, not a law school forum.

 

[laconicstudent]

Which constitution? That of man or divinity?

The United States Constitution, you know, the one that governs the nation we live in?

The last time i checked, this was supposed to be a CHRISTIAN FORUM, not a law school forum.

Does that mean we are supposed to bury our heads in the sand and ignore legal reality, or something?

By the way, you do realize that the constitutionality of laws isn't "law school", but a concept from junior high civics, right? We are hardly getting esoteric.

 

[Yusuf Evans]

Which constitution? That of man or divinity? The last time i checked, this was supposed to be a CHRISTIAN FORUM, not a law school forum.

A Chrisitan forum that allows the ideas and input of Christians and non-Christians alike. You believe in the laws of God to govern you and your family's life, but those laws are not supposed to be imposed on those who are not Christian. The rights given to all legal residents of the United States is in the Constitution, no matter how much you may disagree with certain semantical issues. If a gay man wants to marry another gay man, what right do you have in the eyes of the law to stop that?

 

[Chyke4real]

The United States Constitution, you know, the one that governs the nation we live in?.

The law was made for man and not man for the law. The same constitution that you crave, will be used to either condemn or justify you.

Better live by the spirit, which recognises the truth in all activities of men under the sun and beyond, that you may be liberated from the yoke of the law set on earth by human hands.

If the spirit of God who formed man lives in you, you will find your path.

The RIGHT love can only be expressed, the RIGHT way.

 

[Exiledoomsayer]

The law was made for man and not man for the law. The same constitution that you crave, will be used to either condemn or justify you.

Better live by the spirit, which recognises the truth in all activities of men under the sun and beyond, that you may be liberated from the yoke of the law set on earth by human hands.

If the spirit of God who formed man lives in you, you will find your path.

The RIGHT love can only be expressed, the RIGHT way.

I die alittle inside everytime I am reminded there are people that think they and they alone are right and everybody else should be made to conform to their ways.
Mostly because they can never imagine being wrong or bringing up the respect for others to let them live their own way.

 

[laconicstudent]

The law was made for man and not man for the law.

Next time I get a speeding ticket, I'll pass that on to the cop. I'm sure he'll let me off.

The same constitution that you crave, will be used to either condemn or justify you.

That doesn't make any sense. We are discussing temporal laws, not spirituality.

Better live by the spirit, which recognises the truth in all activities of men under the sun and beyond, that you may be liberated from the yoke of the law set on earth by human hands.

So, you are an anarchist?

If the spirit of God who formed man lives in you, you will find your path.

What on earth are you talking about? Are you implying that I'm lost?

The RIGHT love can only be expressed, the RIGHT way.

Good for your personal opinion. I don't necessarily disagree, but I am going to refrain from shoving my opinion down the throats of non-Christians via legislation in a secular country. Generally, that is not a good way to dispose them kindly towards the Gospel, you see.

 

[Yusuf Evans]

Good for your personal opinion. I don't necessarily disagree, but I am going to refrain from shoving my opinion down the throats of non-Christians via legislation in a secular country. Generally, that is not a good way to dispose them kindly towards the Gospel, you see.

Isn't there something commanded by Jesus(PBUH) to obey the laws of government up to a certain point?

 

[Chyke4real]

A Chrisitan forum that allows the ideas and input of Christians and non-Christians alike. You believe in the laws of God to govern you and your family's life, but those laws are not supposed to be imposed on those who are not Christian.

The laws of God are embedded in the hearts of men, christian or non-christian, so it can't be imposed. You only need to search deeper into yourself to find it, it ain't farther than your next thought.

The rights given to all legal residents of the United States is in the Constitution, no matter how much you may disagree with certain semantical issues.

And who says your constitution is morally perfect?

If a gay man wants to marry another gay man, what right do you have in the eyes of the law to stop that?

No right in the eyes of your law, but every right in the eyes of love and truth.

 

[Yusuf Evans]

No right in the eyes of your law, but every right in the eyes of love and truth.

My law? I assume you mean the US Constitution. In Shari'a, it can bring about the death penalty.

 

[laconicstudent]

Isn't there something commanded by Jesus(PBUH) to obey the laws of government up to a certain point?

Yep.

 

[Chyke4real]

I die alittle inside everytime I am reminded there are people that think they and they alone are right and everybody else should be made to conform to their ways.
Mostly because they can never imagine being wrong or bringing up the respect for others to let them live their own way.

If every human being is allowed to live his/ her own way, do you in all honesty believe that the world would have endured for you to have a taste? You had better rethink.

 

[Yusuf Evans]

Yep.

I thought so, so just wondering why these fundie conservatists are so hell bent on preventing something that really has no affect on them as a Christian.

 

[Fenny the Fox]

No right in the eyes of your law, but every right in the eyes of love and truth.

Oh? And what, in the name of Love and truth, allows you to stand against the love of two people?

 

[laconicstudent]

If every human being is allowed to live his/ her own way, do you in all honesty believe that the world would have endured for you to have a taste? You had better rethink.

You are the one advocating anarchy by claiming we should ignore civil law, in favor of your personal interpretation of Bible verses, not I.

 

[laconicstudent]

I thought so, so just wondering why these fundie conservatists are so hell bent on preventing something that really has no affect on them as a Christian.

You may have noticed that Bible verses which state that governments are granted their authority by God and command us to respect the civil authorities seem to be forgotten by some people as soon as those governments do something that contradicts their personal interpretations of Scripture.

Its rather hilarious, actually.

 

[Chyke4real]

My law? I assume you mean the US Constitution. In Shari'a, it can bring about the death penalty.

If you don't stand up for something, you'll fall for anything.
So many men paid the ultimate price to bring salvation to your door step. Would you discourage the faith to reciprocate? Even when that can preserve the sanity of the world?

I believe the US constitution recognises the right to speech. Do not compare things that ain't comparable.

 

[laconicstudent]

If you don't stand up for something, you'll fall for anything.
So many men paid the ultimate price to bring salvation to your door step. Would you discourage the faith to reciprocate? Even when that can preserve the sanity of the world?

I believe the US constitution recognises the right to speech. Do not compare things that ain't comparable.

*stares at the amalgam of unconnected statements that don't make much sense together*

 

[Chyke4real]

Oh? And what, in the name of Love and truth, allows you to stand against the love of two people?

The need to keep them from self destruction, which is their unintentional destination. Love teaches you to be your brother's keeper, perform that role and you would have secured a seat among the gods.

You corrupt the word LOVE, when you use it to propose homosexuality. These people are not in LOVE, they are in LUST for Perversion.