Proposition 8 overturned in California

[Zaac]

Your not telling me anything special or more compelling then any other religion.

Sit down and read the Bible and ask God to show you something special. Or is your mind already enslaved to buddhism?

I'm sure your standards for truth will change if your ever on trial in a court of law. You know, where facts and evidence and reality actually account for something.

I don't have a standard of truth. God has the standard. I just adhere to it.

 

[Zaac]

Do go on Zaac, and continue to show us how humble you are.

Jase, let me say it again for you. I am not put off from speaking God's truth just because you or anyone else think it's delivered without, love, compassion or humility.

That little game doesn't work with me. Now I'm sure that you and several folks here are used to hushing some folks up by playing the "love , compassion, and you're being hateful" card, but I'm simply not that guy.

Jesus Christ has me right in the middle of His hand. You don't have to think it's delivered with humility. I don't expect you to. The homosexuals and their sympathizers on this board and throughout the world have a bad habit of thinking they get to frame what spirit God's truth is being delivered in.

You don't. So like I said, try the guilt-laden speech with someone else. And I guarantee that to be GODLY confidence.

I can humbly and boldly speak God's truth in the face of the world's lies and am NOT offput by the screams of "you're not being compassionate and tiptoeing around our feelings" while you and your feelings spread untruths.

You got the wrong one. So call in the ACLU or anyone else that folks like to call when they think we conservatives are being uncompassionate and politically incorrect.

I'm STILL gonna boldly speak God's truth.

 

[Jase]

Jase, let me say it again for you. I am not put off from speaking God's truth just because you or anyone else think it's delivered without, love, compassion or humility.

That little game doesn't work with me. Now I'm sure that you and several folks here are used to hushing some folks up by playing the "love , compassion, and you're being hateful" card, but I'm simply not that guy.

Jesus Christ has me right in the middle of His hand. You don't have to think it's delivered with humility. I don't expect you to. The homosexuals and their sympathizers on this board and throughout the world have a bad habit of thinking they get to frame what spirit God's truth is being delivered in.

You don't. So like I said, try the guilt-laden speech with someone else. And I guarantee that to be GODLY confidence.

I can humbly and boldly speak God's truth in the face of the world's lies and am NOT offput by the screams of "you're not being compassionate and tiptoeing around our feelings" while you and your feelings spread untruths.

You got the wrong one. So call in the ACLU or anyone else that folks like to call when they think we conservatives are being uncompassionate and politically incorrect.

I'm STILL gonna boldly speak God's truth.

Zaac, you are not speaking God's truth with humility. You are doing exactly what Jesus warned the Pharisees about. Coming in here, proclaiming that your interpretation of the law is the only correct one, and condemning everyone who doesn't follow it to hell.

This method you use to preach not only violates what Jesus taught, but makes no one who listens to you want anything to do with Christianity. Now of course, you proclaim that's their fault, and they are denying the truth. But the truth is, that you will be held accountable to God for turning people away from him due to pride.

I believe in Jesus, and I want absolutely nothing to do with Christianity because of its followers. Jesus would not condone your method of preaching the Gospel. Perhaps you need to step back and take a look at how your attitude is perceived by others.

 

[MoonLancer]

Sit down and read the Bible and ask God to show you something special. Or is your mind already enslaved to buddhism?

Judging a book by its cover? Oh that seems to be your method, not mine. However if you read the bible wanting to see something special you will. Only because people see what they want to see. the same would be true if i read the Koran or any religious book and wanted to see something special or specific. We seek patterns and when there is none we make them up.

I don't have a standard of truth. God has the standard. I just adhere to it.

Its a good thing that the court of law and my standard for truth is higher then Gods. Or at least what you think Gods is.

 

[Belk]

I'm not looking to win any brownie points. I'm a deliverer of God's truth. I'll get my reward from HIM in heaven.



Looks like you just did a little judging yourself. I'm good with righteously judging as God's word tells me I can. And you can save the guilt-laden speech for someone who is swayed by that type stuff. Next thing you know you'll be talking about hate speech.

How old is the Earth Zaac?

 

[Zaac]

Zaac, you are not speaking God's truth with humility.

Jase, you don't get to tell me what I'm doing in humility. You don't like what I say God's stance is when it comes to gay marriage and gay sex.

And just like so many others, you scream "uncompassionate, hateful, or not delivered in humility" because you think it's gonna make the speaking of God's truth cease.

I've told you, you have the wrong person.

You are doing exactly what Jesus warned the Pharisees about. Coming in here, proclaiming that your interpretation of the law is the only correct one, and condemning everyone who doesn't follow it to hell.

Oh stop bearing false witness. I haven't said anything about MY interpretation. And here you go again trying to frame the conversation to say something I did not say.

But contrary to what you might want to believe, the atheist that comes before God's throne of judgment as an atheist, will be spending eternity in hell. I'm not celebrating that. It is what it is whether or not you like it or whether or not you think the truth has been delivered in humility.

This method you use to preach not only violates what Jesus taught, but makes no one who listens to you want anything to do with Christianity.

Jesus has no problem with me delivering His truth in the manner that He says to deliver it. And you claiming that I'm delivering it otherwise is just the pro-gay everything in you just being miffed that I would dare speak against what you support.

So again, I'm not moved by your attempts to shut me up veiled under the guise of you're violating what Jesus taught.

If folks don't want anything to do with Christianity because they don't want to accept the truth, that's on them. I have no control over it. But the truth is not going to change or become more palatable just because they don't want to hear it.

Now of course, you proclaim that's their fault, and they are denying the truth. But the truth is, that you will be held accountable to God for turning people away from him due to pride.

See above. Seriously, you need to try these tactics on someone else.

I believe in Jesus,

The devil believes in Jesus too. And you can place Gandhi's excuse with the rest of the excuses. People follow Christ because of Christ not because of the folks who follow Him. So not following Him is STILL the person's sin and no one else's.

and I want absolutely nothing to do with Christianity because of its followers.

It was silly when Gandhi said it too. "Yes Jesus, you I like, but your bride...not so much." If you love Jesus, you'll love His bride too.

Jesus would not condone your method of preaching the Gospel. Perhaps you need to step back and take a look at how your attitude is perceived by others.

You're persistent with this approach aren't ya? I'm still not the one. You need to step back and realize that the guilt-trip card doesn't work with me.

I'm still gonna preach God's word and give His truth. You don't have to like it.

 

[Zaac]

How old is the Earth Zaac?

You'll have to ask God that. He was there at the beginning, I wasn't. I can only tell ya approximately how old it is.

 

[Old Catholic Man]

Just out of curiosity what does any of this (the Bible, who speaks for God etc.) have to do with the subject. We do not live in a Theocracy we live in a secular nation and the laws should not be made with a respect to any specific religion. While I would not preside at a same sex marriage, I have no right to prevent homosexuals from entering into such a union.

T

 

[Skaloop]

You'll have to ask God that. He was there at the beginning, I wasn't. I can only tell ya approximately how old it is.

Approximately how old is it?

 

[Zaac]

Approximately how old is it?

Care to start another thread for it? This one seems to be getting off track.

 

[Jase]

I've been reading some of the ruling of Judge Walker on this. It was very well written. The defense did a horrible job supporting their arguments, with basically no witnesses and their only arguments being on "moral and religious grounds". They presented no legitimate state interest by which legislation should be passed on this issue. States are not prescribed the duty of legislating morality. It's their job to treat all citizens equal, and since the religious view states that same-sex couples are not equal to opposite-sex couples, there is no equality. As such, it violates the 14th amendment.

 

[Skaloop]

Care to start another thread for it? This one seems to be getting off track.

Just answer it. Then we can move on.

 

[Zaac]

Just answer it. Then we can move on.

Just start another thread. And we can move on in this one talking about Prop 8.

 

[MoonLancer]

I've ready some of the ruling of Judge Walker on this. It was very well written. The defense did a horrible job supporting their arguments, with basically no witnesses and their only arguments being on "moral and religious grounds". They presented no legitimate state interest by which legislation should be passed on this issue. States are not prescribed the duty of legislating morality. It's their job to treat all citizens equal, and since the religious view states that same-sex couples are not equal to opposite-sex couples, there is no equality. As such, it violates the 14th amendment.

so basically a mirror of these forums then i take it. Those against gay marriage never had a solid argument or logical foundation. It doesn't surprise me at all.

 

[Gwenyfur]

I'm just glad it's been overturned...

My trip to Cali to preside over my friends' marriage is on once again

They've been together for 20 years, it's about time they were able to actually call each other husband with the same rights as any other married couple that's been together that long!

 

[Jase]

so basically a mirror of these forums then i take it. Those against gay marriage never had a solid argument or logical foundation. It doesn't surprise me at all.

Basically. It all boiled down to same-sex couples are not equal to opposite-sex couples, children will be indoctrinated if gays are allowed to be married, gays can't procreate etc. All shot down.

 

[pgp_protector]

Never said that from time to time they didn't get anything right. They were right on Prop 8.

But you got these judges who need to be stripped of their abilities to make rulings on anything.

But then again, the more Sodom and Gomorrahish this country gets, the quicker Jesus can come on back.

Wouldn't that be a good thing then ?

 

[Fenny the Fox]

Well, I am glad it was overturned. Thank the Lord, freedom still exists. I am very happy, indeed.

 

[MoonLancer]

Really the only logical reason why gay mirage shouldn't exist is because is doesn't encourage procreation of the human race. But seeing how we are way overpopulated I take it as natures way of fixing it.

In a post Apocalypse though being gay is probably pretty selfish. For the moment though, go wild!

 

[Jase]

Well, I am glad it was overturned. Thank the Lord, freedom still exists. I am very happy, indeed.

Unfortunately, it's not over. It's being appealed so the ban is still in effect, and this will definitely go to the Supreme Court, who happens to be conservative. I'm worried about how they might vote.