How do American creationists feel about this?

[Riski]

Not one of the people mentioned in the bible (including God) spoke English.

This means that every word you read that was attributed to a person that person (or God) never actually said those words,
what you read is what some one thought they said or were trying to say.

 

[Chesterton]

There are some people who can speak and read and write in more than one language. Amazing but true.

 

[Riski]

There are some people who can speak and read and write in more than one language. Amazing but true.

Yes and those that do will know how difficult it is to translate from one to the other, there are some things that just will not translate so they tell you what the other was trying to say and not what they actually said..

And God said (well he didn't actually say this but this is what he meant) 'let there be light'.

 

[Doveaman]

There are some people who can speak and read and write in more than one language. Amazing but true.

Including God.

 

[Doveaman]

Not one of the people mentioned in the bible (including God) spoke English.

An all knowing God doesn't know English? LOL

This means that every word you read that was attributed to a person that person (or God) never actually said those words,
what you read is what some one thought they said or were trying to say.

There are really just two versions of the Bible: the original Inspired Version and the Copyist Version. There are many different copies of the Copyist Version, including the King James copy.

As Christians, we may not have the original writings of the original Inspired Version, but we do have the same original Inspiration of that Inspired Version, since the God who Inspired that Version to be written is the same God who now Inspires our understanding when we read any copy. So when we read any copy we read it with the same Inspiration with which the original Version was Inspired to be written, enabling us to make sense of any copy.

 

[Riski]

As Christians, we may not have the original writings of the original Inspired Version, but we do have the same original Inspiration of that Inspired Version, since the God who Inspired that Version to be written is the same God who now Inspires us when we read any copy. So when we read any copy we read it with the same Inspiration with which the original Version was Inspired to be written, enabling us to make sense of any copy.

Of course you do.

 

[AV1611VET]

... there are some things that just will not translate so they tell you what the other was trying to say and not what they actually said..

Not hardly.

There are words in the Bible that the translators transliterated, rather than translated.

They include, if my memory serves me correctly: amen, baptize and selah.

 

[Gracchus]

An all knowing God doesn't know English?

You say he is all-knowing, but if you aren't all knowing, you can't know that.

As Christians, we may not have the original writings of the original Inspired Version, but we do have the same original Inspiration of that Inspired Version, since the God who Inspired that Version to be written is the same God who now Inspires our understanding when we read any copy. So when we read any copy we read it with the same Inspiration with which the original Version was Inspired to be written, enabling us to make sense of any copy.

Which is why there are ten thousand Christian sects squabbling over what the Bible means: Because God confused them to keep them from uniting in idolatry. Right? That would make the Tower of Babel a metaphor for the Bible, right?

 

[Darkness27]

An all knowing God doesn't know English? LOL

He's got you there. God never did speak English, at least as recorded in scripture.

As Christians, we may not have the original writings of the original Inspired Version, but we do have the same original Inspiration of that Inspired Version, since the God who Inspired that Version to be written is the same God who now Inspires our understanding when we read any copy. So when we read any copy we read it with the same Inspiration with which the original Version was Inspired to be written, enabling us to make sense of any copy.

So how do we determine when the Bible doesn't really mean what it says, rather it means X as told to us by the holy spirit? Never mind there's a plethora of interpretations all claiming to be of the same inspiration.

Or are you suggesting that all interpretations are wrong except yours as it is divinely inspired? Not something I'd try to defend or get across myself, but I've seen brothers and sisters of the faith essentially say the same thing before, so just putting it out there.

 

[theFijian]

Not one of the people mentioned in the bible (including God) spoke English.

This means that every word you read that was attributed to a person that person (or God) never actually said those words,
what you read is what some one thought they said or were trying to say.

Another asinine thread from consol. The difficulties in translating ancient languages is hardly an issue solely for christians, let alone just american creationists. And what exactly is your problem with Americans and/or America?

 

[Yusuf Evans]

Why does this thread target "American" Christians specifically? Are you thinking it's just those who believe in Creationism and the YEC? If so, then you need to re-educate yourself as the English language has been around for centuries; much longer than the US itself was a colony of the Brits.

 

[contango]

Not one of the people mentioned in the bible (including God) spoke English.

This means that every word you read that was attributed to a person that person (or God) never actually said those words,
what you read is what some one thought they said or were trying to say.

Which is why it sometimes takes more than a cursory glance over the words when looking at things that appear to be contradictions. Words like "fear" and "love" need some understanding of the context and the word that was translated that way in the first place.

This isn't an issue exclusive to the Bible though. How many philosophical works were written in English, and how many were translated from Greek/Latin/German/whatever? When I look along my own bookshelf I can see immediately one book translated from Hebrew and Greek, one from Arabic, one from German, and yet I don't assume none of the words are valid because they aren't written in the original language.

What can be very useful when reading the Bible in English is to use something like Strong's which can give us an insight into the original Greek and Hebrew. To give just one example Greek has at least three words that all translate "love", and yet the way we love our spouse is very different to the way we love our children and the way we love our friends. Yet that word "love" appears in all three contexts.

 

[Riski]

Why does this thread target "American" Christians specifically? Are you thinking it's just those who believe in Creationism and the YEC? If so, then you need to re-educate yourself as the English language has been around for centuries; much longer than the US itself was a colony of the Brits.

I targeted the American creationist because they take the bible literally.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why does this thread target "American" Christians specifically? Are you thinking it's just those who believe in Creationism and the YEC? If so, then you need to re-educate yourself as the English language has been around for centuries; much longer than the US itself was a colony of the Brits.

The 'US itself' was never a colony of the Brits.

 

[Riski]

I targeted the American creationist because they take the bible literally.

Again, you are mistaken in assuming they are the only one's in that boat. Lots of Christians in other nations are the same way. Simply because you chose Americans, shows that you are only pointing the finger at them in order to make Americans look bad and show your arrogance.

This sub forum is used mosty by American Christian creationists, what should I do list every country by name?
Americans do not need my help to make them look bad.

 

[theFijian]

This sub forum is used mosty by American Christian creationists, what should I do list every country by name?
Americans do not need my help to make them look bad.

You can stop flogging now consol, the horse is dead.

 

[Riski]

You can stop flogging now consol, the horse is dead.

What is up your butt Jock ????

 

[Greg1234]

Not one of the people mentioned in the bible (including God) spoke English.

This means that every word you read that was attributed to a person that person (or God) never actually said those words,
what you read is what some one thought they said or were trying to say.

Words are the manifestation of ideas. Ideas are thoughts. Thought is the mind. The mind is universal and need not manifest in a particular language and its codification does not extiguish the thought nor the idea, the universal basis.

 

[Tomatoman]

Greg:

The mind is universal and need not manifest in a particular language and its codification does not extiguish the thought nor the idea, the universal basis.

This is totally meaningless gibberish.

 

[theFijian]

What is up your butt Jock ????

Are you offering colonoscopy services? it would certainly explain all your BS