When Will Christ Return?

[rdcast]

No, I do not believe the Second Coming is around 2018 (you can click on the vote results and see my vote, it's a public poll).

As I said previously a couple of times, the reason I am arriving at 2028 for the beginning of the great tribulation is because of the 80 years described in Psalm 90. Even though it says "70 or 80" years, I believe the mention of "80" basically automatically says it is going to be 80.

Assuming that Pslam 90 is referencing the foundation of Israel (and I believe that it is), that would make 80 years from 1948 be 2028. The great tribulation lasts 3.5 years, not 7 years:

"5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months." Rev. 13:5

The forty and two months = 1 hour in revelation:

"12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast." Rev. 17:12

Jesus Christ mentions the tribulation as the "hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the earth, to try them which dwell upon the earth":

"10Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." Rev. 3:10

The hour = 42 months = the great tribulation (aka, "hour of temptation).

Since I have arrived at 2028 by adding 80 to 1948, we then must add 3.5 (the great tribulation) to 2028. We then arrive at approximately 2031/32, which, coincidentally, happens to be almost exactly 2000 years since Jesus Christ departure.

I believe that this may be significant, because Christ reigns for 1000 years. It would be interesting if Christ were to return exactly 2000 years after his departure, and then reign for the ensuing 1000 years.

So I believe that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will be around 2031/2032. I believe that the great tribulation will start in 2028.

Please refresh my memory on how we come to 1 hr = 42 yrs. Also, it has been suggested that the 3 ½ years also brings, what your calling departure, Jesus' Crucifixion 3,500 yrs after first sin, which means Jesus returns 3,500yrs after departure, which would be 500yrs from now.

 

[Achilles6129]

Please refresh my memory on how we come to 1 hr = 42 yrs. Also, it has been suggested that the 3 ½ years also brings, what your calling departure, Jesus' Crucifixion 3,500 yrs after first sin, which means Jesus returns 3,500yrs after departure, which would be 500yrs from now.

The verses that I quoted show exactly that. Again:

"5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months." Rev. 13:5

"12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast." Rev. 17:12

The beast receives power for 42 months. The ten kings receive power "one hour" with the beast. Therefore, one hour = 42 months.

There is no way that Christ is going to return 500 years from now. There is simply no way that the world can last that long. Every single sign that we need for the end is here except for three things, all of which I expect to be fulfilled in the coming decades:

1) global government
2) rebuilt Jewish temple
3) antichrist

That's all that we need.

 

[kotel]

[quote
6129
The beast receives power for 42 months. The ten kings receive power "one hour" with the beast. Therefore, one hour = 42 months.[/quote]

17:13 - “They (ten kings) have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast (Antichrist).

Impossible for the ten kings to have power for 42 months concurrent with beast’s reign of 42 months. The ten horns are no longer independent kings after they give their power and authority to the Antichrist. They will share power as kings separate from the Antichrist for 24 hours then decide to forfeit their power and authority to him during his reign of 42 months (Rev. 13:5).

 

[zeke37]

the one hour is the hour of temptation

 

[Almighty's humble servant]

My dear brothers and sisters,

Though no man knows the day or the hour, the Lord ALmighty has given us signs to look for prior to Our Beloved's return.

I see the GT starting around the very beginning of 2013, and our Lord and Saviour Jesus, the ONLY Christ coming at the end of 2019, or the very beginning of 2020.

As for the asteroid which sets off the GT, I'll hear out the luciferians on this one. They seek their messiah, lucifermaitreyaquezecotalanu, just after the winter equinox of 2012.

I believe they will have their master on that date. And I believe we shall have our a/c the very same day!

With love,
your brother,
charles

 

[Spirit Compass]

2) The timing is simply not right at this moment. We need a one world government before anything in the book of Revelation can begin happening, and it is going to take some time to set up a one world government (many legal hurdles, etc.). As soon as the one world government is in place the antichrist will appear. I think this will begin in the mid-to-late 2020s.

No 'One World Government' is required in order for Christ to return. The anti-christ has already been revealed and has appeared.

Read about it here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7472181/. 7 Last Trumpets and Vials.
More suggested reading: http://www.christianforums.com/t7474315/. End Times and Last Days.

 

[zeke37]

No 'One World Government' is required in order for Christ to return. The anti-christ has already been revealed and has appeared.

Read about it here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7472181/. 7 Last Trumpets and Vials.
More suggested reading: http://www.christianforums.com/t7474315/. End Times and Last Days.

I'll disagree with you there

a one world government is required for both the antiChrist and the true Messiah to arrive.(Rev13)

and IMO it is the Lord Himself who reveals to the world who the antiChrist really is....(2Thes2)

IOW, he'll have been around for his short season (Rev12)
all the while pretending to be Christ returned.(Mat24/Mar13/1Cor5/2Cor11/2Thes2/Rev13)
most all Christians believe his lies (2Thes2/Rev13)
thus they do not know who he is....
(only the elect sealed ones do)(Rev6-7/14)

he is not revealed to those who he has fooled,
until the very end, at Christ's return! By Christ's actual arrival....

that's why some folks try to hide in the mountains/caves etc.
from the Lord's Coming....they are ashamed




as of today, the antiChrist has not appeared yet...
when he does, it shall be from above
in a very grand thing seen IMO world wide

and there must be a world govmnt in existance,
for him to save by his apeparance...from a deadly wound

run by men....failed....his appearance saves it

there are many people right now claiming to be the Messiah
a few of which have actual political and religious pull...

it does not make any of them the antiChrist

the antichrist is Satan himself...
in his very own supernatural fallen angel body

and he will be very out in the open...not popping up from time to time...

 

[zeke37]

The verses that I quoted show exactly that. Again:

"5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months." Rev. 13:5

"12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast." Rev. 17:12

The beast receives power for 42 months. The ten kings receive power "one hour" with the beast. Therefore, one hour = 42 months.

There is no way that Christ is going to return 500 years from now. There is simply no way that the world can last that long. Every single sign that we need for the end is here except for three things, all of which I expect to be fulfilled in the coming decades:

1) global government
2) rebuilt Jewish temple
3) antichrist

That's all that we need.

we don't need number 2...no such thing on the agenda

 

[Achilles6129]

we don't need number 2...no such thing on the agenda

Just for reference, my #2 was a rebuilt Jewish temple.

I don't have time to respond at the moment to all the things people have said in response to me on here, but I will respond to Zeke's comment. We do, in fact, need a rebuilt Jewish temple:

"4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." 2 Th. 2:4

And in Daniel:

"27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." Dan. 9:27 (KJV)

Overspreading, #3671, kanaph,
1) wing, extremity, edge, winged, border, corner, shirt
a) wing
b) extremity
1) skirt, corner (of garment)

"27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' [i] In the middle of the 'seven' [j] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him." Dan. 9:27 (NIV)

Christ:

"15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand" Mt. 24:15

We are able to see the abomination of desolation stand in the holy place (that of course, is the temple). Therefore, this must be physical, not symbolic or spiritual. In order for this to occur we need a rebuilt Jewish temple.

 

[rdcast]

Without boring you with details or waste my leisure time(vanity) I want and need your help, all eschatology enthusiasts. Please read this and help with your Holy Spirit filled inspirations. Magi Today

Time may be of the essence as usual...I added the part about the Magi today and included supporting online bible readings. I would really like to change the ownership of the HubPage to something other than my name, but it will soon be 3 years old and that helps ranking. Let me know what you think. Your involvement is why I joined christianforums.com last year, when I originally began posting here in Eschatology. You don't know how near and dear you are to me, not that it's important that you are. Will u help? I really do believe this is important work. Pray for the Holy Spirit to lead. I can't be alone in this. Satan eats people like me for breakfast.

 

[Spirit Compass]

I'll disagree with you there

a one world government is required for both the antiChrist and the true Messiah to arrive.(Rev13) {exerpted}




the antichrist is Satan himself...
in his very own supernatural fallen angel body

and he will be very out in the open...not popping up from time to time...

When John wrote in Revelation Chapter 13 verse 18 regarding the code number of the Beast, he was giving insight about the name of beast using the numbering system in Aramaic. He gave us the name Nero Caesar as the anti christ. When was Nero Caesar emperor of the known world? What was his mark of loyalty? Who did he persecute?

Why are three separate beings cast into the Lake of Fire if anti-christ is Satan himself? Read about it here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7479468/ The Dragon, That Old Serpent.

 

[DD2008]

So, what year range do you think Jesus Christ will return? Vote in the poll and then post your reason for your vote.

I think Christ will return in the 2030s for several reasons:

1) The 2030s will be exactly 2000 years after Christ left. God has a thing with numbers, and Christ has a 1000 year reign. It could be that Jesus Christ returns 2000 years after he ascended into heaven.

2) The timing is simply not right at this moment. We need a one world government before anything in the book of Revelation can begin happening, and it is going to take some time to set up a one world government (many legal hurdles, etc.). As soon as the one world government is in place the antichrist will appear. I think this will begin in the mid-to-late 2020s.

I voted I don't know because of this:

Mark 13:32 KJV
[32] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

 

[rdcast]

I voted I don't know because of this:

Mark 13:32 KJV
[32] But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Mark 13:32 doesn't mean we are prevented from knowing in what watch Jesus Christ returns. The bible makes it clear that, on the one hand, our ability to determine the precise point in time Jesus Christ returns is withheld and is so plain on this issue, that it should be a sin to argue against it. Mark 13:32 leaves no room for argument. Tho not a command, it serves as an unequivocal warning and call for preparedness. Yet, on the other hand, our ability to view it in a broader perspective is clearly assigned in the book of Matthew:

Matthew 24:32-51(KJV)
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
​

As described in the above Holy Scripture, the precise timing of the pending great flood wasn't revealed. Beyond the Prophet Enoch, the only signs something was about to happen was the level of global sin, Noah's preparation and perhaps the miracle of animals marching to the ark.

Jude 1:14-15(KJV)
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
​

God will always give His people a heads-up to what is coming, so preparations might be made.
​

 

[rdcast]

When John wrote in Revelation Chapter 13 verse 18 regarding the code number of the Beast, he was giving insight about the name of beast using the numbering system in Aramaic. He gave us the name Nero Caesar as the anti christ. When was Nero Caesar emperor of the known world? What was his mark of loyalty? Who did he persecute?

Why are three separate beings cast into the Lake of Fire if anti-christ is Satan himself? Read about it here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7479468/ The Dragon, That Old Serpent.

History proved Nero Claudius Caesar has no relevance to Rev 13:18, but then this is all new to me.

Nero - Former Things - Biblical Archaeology and The Bible
On second thought, this was one evil dude!

English is the most prevalent language on earth today. The fallowing shows the value of each numbered letter multiplied by 6:

A-6
B-12
C-18
D-24
E-30
F-36
G-42
H-48
I-54
J-60
K-66
L-72
M-78
N-84
O-90
P-96
Q-102
R-108
S-114
T-120
U-126
V-132
W-138
X-144
Y-150
Z-156
​

Using the above values, applied to the name K I S S I N G E R and their sum =

666
What does your name equal, using this straight forward and simple formula? Mine is 258

 

[zeke37]

When John wrote in Revelation Chapter 13 verse 18 regarding the code number of the Beast, he was giving insight about the name of beast using the numbering system in Aramaic. He gave us the name Nero Caesar as the anti christ.

no he did not...666 can = thousands of different names....computer is one of them etc....

the antiChrist is already named for us in Rev12

When was Nero Caesar emperor of the known world? What was his mark of loyalty? Who did he persecute?

many others can claim the same


Why are three separate beings cast into the Lake of Fire if anti-christ is Satan himself? Read about it here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7479468/ The Dragon, That Old Serpent.

one is a role
one is a political faction
and one is an entity...

why are two of the three thrown in the lake before any soul is?
because they are not souls, but just titles and roles

one individual.....Satan...
he is used at the end of the Millennium, and then destroyed in the Lake of Fire right? when all judged there are...

but his false Messiah role (false prophet) and his political/religous beasts (NWO) are done away with at Christ's Coming...
1000 years earlier

that is why we will have peace in that time,
Satan is locked away FOR the Mil,
and he has no political or religous power when he gets loosed again at it's end to deceive you with
no way of tricking you as he has always done.....

either you follow him or God at that time
hence final judgement

 

[Almighty's humble servant]

No 'One World Government' is required in order for Christ to return. The anti-christ has already been revealed and has appeared.

Read about it here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7472181/. 7 Last Trumpets and Vials.
More suggested reading: http://www.christianforums.com/t7474315/. End Times and Last Days.

I 100% agree with brother Zeke here, that there will be a true one world govt when the a/c is come again to save it from the hand of God. (the pouring out of the vials)

Now, I have read all you have written in the other other thread you reference, and I find nowhere where you have shown the a/c having made an appearance.

Most folks here know that he once ruled as an earthly king. Most know that he was in the garden on his belly deceiving our first parents.
We all know in Greek he is appolyon, and abbadon in Hebrew.

But where have you referenced his visible emergence in modern times?

I tell you this.

his day fast approaches. When the earth is pelted with flaming rocks from the heavens, and the mortal wound is struck upon this earth, men, including socalled christians, will believe the events to be the "wrath", and will fall hopelessly for the a/c, who will come as the Lamb, as a deliverer and teacher.

 

[Spirit Compass]

History proved Nero Claudius Caesar has no relevance to Rev 13:18

Whose history has proved {or really disproved} this? A parallel galaxy history of a specific denomination? Who is the authority on the history of the human race?

 

[TheUnwanted]

No man knows the day nor the hour.

 

[Spirit Compass]

his day fast approaches. When the earth is pelted with flaming rocks from the heavens, and the mortal wound is struck upon this earth, men, including socalled christians, will believe the events to be the "wrath", and will fall hopelessly for the a/c, who will come as the Lamb, as a deliverer and teacher.

You must have missed much of the reading of the text. 'Pelting rocks from the heavens' seems to me like air-land warfare, rocketry. You can read about modern warfare and warcraft and the revelation of the anti-christ here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7472181/ 7 Last Trumpets & Plagues. Notice the reference to the Bottomless Pit, the Throne of The Wild Beast.

 

[TheUnwanted]

You must have missed much of the reading othe text. 'Pelting rocks from the heavens' seems to me like air-land warfare, rocketry. You can read about modern warfare and warcraft and the revelation of the anti-christ here: http://www.christianforums.com/t7472181/ 7 Last Trumpets & Plagues. Notice the reference to the Bottomless Pit, the Throne of The Wild Beast.

Right. No way "pelting rocks from the heavens" could be meteors.