Science and religion: what scientists really believe

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This was an interesting survey, and says exactly the exact opposite of what Creationists seem to be telling us:

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Americans are almost evenly divided between those who feel science conflicts with religion and those who don't. Both sides have scientific backers. Biologist Richard Dawkins rallies atheists by arguing that science renders religious faith unnecessary and irrational. Geneticist Francis S. Collins (before becoming NIH director) organized evangelical scientists to offer a vision of science and faith reinforcing each other.
Rice University sociologist Elaine Ecklund offers a fresh perspective on this debate in "Science vs. Religion." Rather than offering another polemic, she builds on a detailed survey of almost 1,700 scientists at elite American research universities -- the most comprehensive such study to date. These surveys and 275 lengthy follow-up interviews reveal that scientists often practice a closeted faith. They worry how their peers would react to learning about their religious views.
Fully half of these top scientists are religious. Only five of the 275 interviewees actively oppose religion. Even among the third who are atheists, many consider themselves "spiritual." One describes this spiritual atheism as being rooted in "wonder about the complexity and the majesty of existence," a sentiment many nonscientists -- religious or not -- would recognize. By not engaging with religion more fully and publicly, "the academy is really doing itself a big disservice," worries one scientist. As shown by conflicts over everything from evolution to stem cells to climate policy, breakdowns in communication between scientists and religious communities cause real problems, especially for scientists trying to educate increasingly religious college students.
Religious groups -- creationist movements in particular -- are not without blame here. Creationist attacks on evolution "have polarized the public opinion such that you're either religious or you're a scientist!" a devout physicist complains. Indeed, the National Science Board recently spiked a report on American knowledge about evolution, claiming that it was too difficult to tell the difference between religious objections to evolution and questions raised about the state of the science.
Only through a genuine dialogue between scientists and the broader public can these divisions be bridged. To her credit, Ecklund avoids editorializing even while encouraging such dialogue. She gives voice to scientists, relaying and synthesizing their experience. Though "Science vs. Religion" is aimed at scientists, her myth-busting and her thoughtful advice can also benefit nonscientists. For Ecklund, the bottom line is recognizing and tolerating religious diversity, honestly discussing science's scope and limits, and openly exploring the disputed borders between scientific skepticism and religious faith.
 

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This was an interesting survey, and says exactly the exact opposite of what Creationists seem to be telling us:

washingtonpost.com

ROFL! There has been data refuting the creationist position for years! Ecklund is finding nothing new.

EJ Larson and L Witham, Scientists are still keeping the faith, Nature, 286: 435-436, 1997 (April 3) 40% of American scientists are conservative theists.

Or the book Cosmos, Bios,Theos, where Nobel Prize winners and other famous scientists give their views on religion. Nearly all of them are theists.

Remember Kenneth Miller? Star witness for evolution at both the McClean vs Arkansas trial and most prominently at the Dover Trial. Catholic.

Science and God: A Warming Trend in Science, vol. 277, 15 August 1997 pp 890-893.
" 'Creationism is an incredible pain in the neck, neither honest nor useful, and the people who advocate it have no idea how much damage they are doing to the credibility of belief,' says physicist Houghton, who has written articles on the value of prayer.
"Because creationists often fail in attempts to force their doctrine upon schools, their most damaging effect may be to make belief in higher purpose appear antirational."

My experience of 40 years in 6 universities across the country are that 90% of scientists in biomedical research attend church, synagogue, or mosque.
 
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Evolution does not answer the origin problems. What option is left?

What "origin problems" are you referring to?

Evolution provides the material cause for the origin of species. By "evoluiton" I am, of course, referring to biological evolution. Are you referring to some other type of "evolution"?
 
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Wasn't Mallon (or somebody) saying that his pastor advised him not to receive communion on account paleontology? It's really quite amazing how many scientists are theists in spite of the lengths to which certain elements in the church are trying to push them away. I wonder how many would openly profess a biblical faith if not for the efforts of the creationist movement?
 
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What "origin problems" are you referring to?

Evolution provides the material cause for the origin of species. By "evoluiton" I am, of course, referring to biological evolution. Are you referring to some other type of "evolution"?

Origin of human being.
Evolution would never make it happen.
 
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Wasn't Mallon (or somebody) saying that his pastor advised him not to receive communion on account paleontology? It's really quite amazing how many scientists are theists in spite of the lengths to which certain elements in the church are trying to push them away. I wonder how many would openly profess a biblical faith if not for the efforts of the creationist movement?

Theistic scientists use evolution as a working model because there is no other scientific model to use. That does not mean evolution is true at all.

Creation is not a scientific model and it can not be used in scientific research. It is faith and it is the truth.
 
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Origin of human being.
Evolution would never make it happen.
Would and did. Really, what is the point of making such groundless assertions? It's not like you've ever evaluated the evidence for human evolution.
 
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Origin of human being.
Evolution would never make it happen.

:confused: Sure it would. Humans are another species and evolution is about the origin of species, including our own.

And evolution did make it happen. That's the material cause. The fossil record of transitional individuals linking H. sapiens (us) back thru 2 intermediate species to A. afaranesis shows that.
 
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Theistic scientists use evolution as a working model because there is no other scientific model to use. That does not mean evolution is true at all.
There is no other model, scientific or otherwise -- no other model explains the evidence. Why do you think it does such a good job of explaining and predicting data, if it's not true?
Creation is not a scientific model and it can not be used in scientific research. It is faith and it is the truth.
Creation is a doctrine, and as a doctrine it is perfectly compatible with evolution.
 
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There is no other model, scientific or otherwise -- no other model explains the evidence. Why do you think it does such a good job of explaining and predicting data, if it's not true?
Creation is a doctrine, and as a doctrine it is perfectly compatible with evolution.

You may give me some details in the new thread I just posted. Please be mercy on me (give summary only), I do not know genetic jargons.
 
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