Catholics-Muslims spiritually united?

[simonthezealot]

I know I've gone into this subject with you before.....

Probably at that other forum...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

She is also in the Quran

Mary in the Quran

*snip*

When naming the best woman who ever lived, Mohammed named Mary (Maryam in Arabic), the mother of Jesus, as the best woman to ever live.

Hmmm.....I just happened to see this thread on the Mariology board

http://www.christianforums.com/t7406352/
Was Mary the greatest woman that ever lived?

 

[visionary]

I can visualize it... from both together before the image of Mary

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

I would say believing in a Creator is a good step toward believing in Christ. Even the Bible starts out that way. Personally, I don't think the Bible is from Satan even though the logic of some people in this thread leads to that conclusion. If someone stumbles after believing in a Creator, then believing in a Creator isn't the problem, but some subsequent obstacle is.

I would say believing in a Creator is a good step toward believing in Christ.

Sure. But the proof is in the proverbial puddin . . . if that person never makes it to heaven . . . then they were bound by Satan. Period.

If someone stumbles after believing in a Creator, then believing in a Creator isn't the problem, but some subsequent obstacle is.

But the single tenet is not the question . . . it is the system. Islam has as its system the belief in a creator. As they do not believe in Jesus as God and reject that He even died on the Cross and thereby reject the work of the cross, their belief in a Creator was futile and part and parcel of Satans deception upon them.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

EGADS!!! Help me Lord

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

compromise may be necessary to achieve goal... do you think it is ok to call God .. allah..

well since the arabic term for God is the generic term "allah" I dont see it as an issue.

It is attributing the meaning of the concept of "god" from Islam that is the issue.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

Remember also that the Muslims venerate Mary

http://www.christianforums.com/t7244198-9/#post47246349
Islam and the Mary/Jesus story

But they also ascribe her as part of Trinity which the RCC does not . . .

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

But they also ascribe her as part of Trinity which the RCC does not . . .

You ever get on the NCR board much?
Tis fun I say!!!!

http://www.christianforums.com/f76/

http://www.christianforums.com/t7465621-3/#post54669343
Does the Qur'an say Mary was part of the Trinity?

 

[Rhamiel]

what would an orthodox church have in common with the unorthodox

well we also say we have a spiritual bond with Protestants too,

I can visualize it... from both together before the image of Mary

muslims do not like images
something the Protestants have in common with Muslims,
iconoclasm

 

[visionary]

Isn't Mary in your Bible?

Both Muslims and Catholics take Mary to the same spiritual level..

The Apparitions of the Blessed Holy Virgin Mary to Millions in Zeitoun, Egypt

Here is how a catholic missionary explained how Mary is the Key to the success of uniting Muslims and Catholics..

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1656120/posts

 

[simonthezealot]

well since the arabic term for God is the generic term "allah" I dont see it as an issue.

It is attributing the meaning of the concept of "god" from Islam that is the issue.

Yes i think it remains vitally important if one is evangelizing an arab that you set down the clear path that the allah of islam is NOT God, period. That's why i don't believe allah should be used, there need be a clear distinction between the 2.

 

[simonthezealot]

Oh i guess this would be a spiritual bond...Divine promises unfounded in scripture.

• Crusaders were offered indulgences or an escape from purgatory for fighting to reestablish Holy Jerusalem from the Muslims.

• Muslims promised their paradise for those who die in religious based battles, jihad

 

[visionary]

Do you think the word "allah" gives you the wrong impression of God?

 

[simonthezealot]

Do you think the word "allah" gives you the wrong impression of God?

I think it can and will confound the one being evangelized.

 

[Yab Yum]

Wwjd?

 

[visionary]

Allah
The name of God in Arabic.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Allah

 

[simonthezealot]

Wwjd?

6 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;
7 you shall have no other gods before me.

Islams allah is a satanic substitute for the one true God who made man in HIS image.

 

[visionary]

6 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;
7 you shall have no other gods before me.

Islams allah is a satanic substitute for the one true God who made man in HIS image.

A personal relationship with the real God usually clears up a lot of the confusion..

 

[Dark_Lite]

Oh i guess this would be a spiritual bond...Divine promises unfounded in scripture.

• Crusaders were offered indulgences or an escape from purgatory for fighting to reestablish Holy Jerusalem from the Muslims.

• Muslims promised their paradise for those who die in religious based battles, jihad

Turning a series of "holy" wars where innocent people in the Middle East were raped, tortured, and killed into evidence of Catholic-Islam "spiritual unification." That's impressive. Wrong, of course, but still impressive. How far do you have to reach simon? How far will you go? You find parallels anywhere so long as it seems like they may be possibly vaguely related to something that can be used against Catholicism.

There is no "spiritual unity" between Catholics and Muslims in this example you cite (and there isn't any in any of your other examples either, but I'm not addressing those right now). The motivations of indulgences and jihad are completely different. They are born out of two separate religions from two separate cultures. Not to mention, the two religions are completely opposed to each other in your two little bullet points. How can there be any kind of spiritual unity when the two are fighting against each other? There cannot.

The history between Christianity and Islam is bloody and full of hatred. Christianity, and Catholicism in particular, is still very much opposed to saying that Islam has any truth in it beyond worshiping the Abrahamic God. History doesn't fade away that quickly simon, but I'm sure you know that. Recent statements regarding Islam are diplomatic efforts and part of ecumenism, nothing more.

 

[simonthezealot]

A personal relationship with the real God usually clears up a lot of the confusion..

Very true.