It is not "set[ting] our minds and hearts on these things" to acknowledge that money pays bills. It's plain common sense.
only problem is that you act as if someone here is denying this, which simply isn't the case...no one here, at least to my knowledge, is suggesting that you can pay a bill with other than money...what is being said is that you don't have to have money to pay the bill before you trust God to meet that need, in whatever way He deems fit. That is where the difference here seems to come in...you
seem set to insist that if we proclaim it necessary to trust God with the ways and means, that it somehow means the same thing as saying we can pay a bill with something other than money....take the other thread that got out of control, I said that love, that being an emotional
and action love, would pay any bill I had, iow's if I have a bill that needs paid, and lack the resources to pay it, the man who LOVES will see to it that the bill is paid....in response, I was accused of trying to testify that hugging the bill collector was enough to pay a bill, and some other things that were more romantically assertive of which I was offended enough to not mention here....anyway, that is so far from what I really said that it is troubling...love does pay bills when we cannot, a God love that reaches down with the resources of God and provides by whatever means He, that is God, demands....that is far from declaring that money isn't needed to clear a financial account....so how about, for the sake of discussion and moving ahead, we start by getting this straight....to say we need to trust God doesn't equal saying that money doesn't clear a financial account, but rather it is to say that our faith, our trust is in God's provision, not in the provision of money....consider this, a young child, remember scripture tells us to come to Him like a young child, does not consider, desire, seek, expect, etc. money so that they can eat, be warm, etc. instead they naturally, by desire assume that it will be there. We also need to stop worrying about gain, and trust that provision means just that, provision from whomever, and whatever sources He, that is God, deems His will. Now by our wisdom, we are to trust like the little child, not like the adult who sees things through the eyes of self sufficient rather than parent sufficient.
Exactly. Because money pays bills.
You're trying to hyperspiritualize a very simple concept by pointing out that bills are man-made and we can survive in this world without bills. Agreed, but irrelevant. Your mortgage/rent, utilities, loan payments, etc... all require money to be paid, and whether that's the way God intended it or not, it is the way it is.
see above, you are taking things out of context and twisting them again, above I correct your "misunderstanding" you can accept it, or continue down the road you are on.
Now, God is our Jehovah Jireh, our Provider, and one of the many things He provides us with is the ability to obtain wealth;
Deuteronomy 8:17-18 (KJV)
And thou say in thine heart, My power and the might of mine hand hath gotten me this wealth. But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.
notice that God gives the power to get wealth, it is not of ourselves...if this is true, can He also not withhold wealth for whatever purpose He might have? Notice the question does not say will He but rather can He, it's a question about sovereignty and power not will at this point...before we talk about will, I want to know how powerful you believe God is and how sovereign He really is...then we can talk about will/purpose....we need to establish a base line of understanding....
I am not my source. My paycheck is not my source. My personal business is not my source. GOD IS. He has blessed me with many talents and abilities that have enabled me to obtain wealth. But He is my Source. He is the reason I am able to do what I do.
agreed, but the above question still needs answered...
As it pertains to this topic, this is where my heart and mind is set; God is my Provider.
I said this, and was attacked, but at least we agree on this....how cool is that?!
