Does 'Goddidit' constitute an explanation? (2)

[AV1611VET]

Show us a single instance where science has been verifiably revised by faith ALONE without the use of more science.

That's like asking me to show you a single instance where a myopic person was cured of his myopia without corrective intervention.

Science would never accept revision from someone claiming to see something beyond its empirical capacity.

That's why faith is so personal.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
The pen is mightier than the sword.
Ya --- it's called myopia.

Still no substance.

 

[Nathan Poe]

That's like asking me to show you a single instance where a myopic person was cured of his myopia without corrective intervention.

Science would never accept revision from someone claiming to see something beyond its empirical capacity.

That's why faith is so personal.

And so egocentric.

 

[sandwiches]

That's like asking me to show you a single instance where a myopic person was cured of his myopia without corrective intervention.

Science would never accept revision from someone claiming to see something beyond its empirical capacity.

That's why faith is so personal.

You make the claim that it has and it does but you can't show a single case of it ever happened. I gotcha.

 

[AV1611VET]

Still no substance.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for --- not things that appear in a microscope or telescope.

 

[sandwiches]

Faith is the substance of things hoped for --- not things that appear in a microscope or telescope.

Still none. Try again.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Faith is the substance of things hoped for --- not things that appear in a microscope or telescope.

There's an old saying, AV -- something about hope in one hand, and [defecate] in the other, and see which hand fills up first.

But again, I do thank you for making my point for me -- not that it was necessary.

 

[AV1611VET]

You make the claim that it has and it does but you can't show a single case of it ever happened. I gotcha.

I hope so --- that's the nature of myopia.

But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

 

[sandwiches]

I hope so --- that's the nature of myopia.

The nature of myopia is that you can't backup your claim? Allrighty.

 

[MoonLancer]

Faith is the substance of things hoped for --- not things that appear in a microscope or telescope.

If a claim has nothing to distinguish itself from someone who cannot tell reality from make-believe why should it be trusted.

 

[kenblaster5000]

You want to talk about moving mountains. I can move you from an evolution discussion right into pews of the church, with the word of God.

Mark 11:22-24

22. And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.

23. For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

24. Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, whey ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

I tell you the truth. I asked for a computer and God found a way to deliver it to me with signs and wonders as well. I asked without doubting and have received. Whether you believe me or not, does not really matter. I will share in the dividends of what God has for me, and you can read and weep. If I seem to be delusional, believe me I think myself quite sober. It is those who do not believe in the truth that God allows to become reprobate and those regardless if they are Christian or not will be hit with that great delusion. I am to keep my eyes open and watch. Not every sign and wonder is from the Lord, most are a great delusion sent to those who did not believe, so that they will believe the lie. My job is to be hooked up with the Lord by His Holy Spirit. Whoever is going the same direction as me, I am responsible for, and will give an account. Whether any of you believe it or not, you will bow before the Lord Jesus Christ and give your account. Think on it! Be blessed.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I hope so --- that's the nature of myopia.

So you have nothing and you blame us for not seeing it?

 

[AV1611VET]

The nature of myopia is that you can't backup your claim? Allrighty.

If a patient refuses to believe he has myopia, then he is not going to go to an ophthalmologist.

By the same token, he is not going to accept correction from someone who isn't an ophthalmologist, either.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you have nothing and you blame us for not seeing it?

Who are the ones claiming they have nothing --- we or science?

I wouldn't hardly call this 'having nothing':

And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

The [myopic] scientist would claim there's nothing there.

 

[Jnwaco]

In other words, you don't acknowledge truth, only inpterretation.

No, that's you putting words in my mouth. Where things can be tested scientifically, that's one thing. If they cannot (such as ALL history) then you have to expand your scope beyond science a bit.

That is, unless any of you can describe what it is science should be finding that would suffice for proof. Christ told us the only sign he'd give was the sign of Jonah, and only the wicked looked for signs. Now, that's not to be offensive, but if God wants people to come to him through free will and not hard science, it's not surprising it's so hard for some people to see God in science.

 

[sandwiches]

No, that's you putting words in my mouth. Where things can be tested scientifically, that's one thing. If they cannot (such as ALL history) then you have to expand your scope beyond science a bit.

That is, unless any of you can describe what it is science should be finding that would suffice for proof. Christ told us the only sign he'd give was the sign of Jonah, and only the wicked looked for signs. Now, that's not to be offensive, but if God wants people to come to him through free will and not hard science, it's not surprising it's so hard for some people to see God in science.

Only the wicked look for signs, eh? Sounds like the king has not clothes.

 

[MoonLancer]

If a patient refuses to believe he has myopia, then he is not going to go to an ophthalmologist.

By the same token, he is not going to accept correction from someone who isn't an ophthalmologist, either.

Myopia can be tested regardless. bad example

 

[MoonLancer]

No, that's you putting words in my mouth. Where things can be tested scientifically, that's one thing. If they cannot (such as ALL history) then you have to expand your scope beyond science a bit.

That is, unless any of you can describe what it is science should be finding that would suffice for proof. Christ told us the only sign he'd give was the sign of Jonah, and only the wicked looked for signs. Now, that's not to be offensive, but if God wants people to come to him through free will and not hard science, it's not surprising it's so hard for some people to see God in science.

History has evidence, and that's more then i can say for what your advocating.

 

[Jnwaco]

History has evidence, and that's more then i can say for what your advocating.

Not sure what that means at all.

 

[Jnwaco]

Only the wicked look for signs, eh? Sounds like the king has not clothes.

It's biblical, I didn't make it up.

I still haven't got an answer as to what you guys would expect to see as proof from a scientific or mathematical outworking.