Does 'Goddidit' constitute an explanation? (2)

[Wiccan_Child]

Well, yes, but that wasn't the only evidence I was talking about.

Feel free to divulge.

 

[Jnwaco]

Well, I find the New Testament compelling. It is certainly valid as historical evidence.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Well, I find the New Testament compelling. It is certainly valid as historical evidence.

Which is a matter of some debate. While, when we share the same evidence, we come to the same conclusions, not everyone agrees about what constitutes evidence with regards to the New Testament. In other words, it isn't certain whether the NT is valid historical evidence. For example, the texts themselves were probably written decades after the alleged events took place, if they even took place at all. Alleged contemporary, non-Biblical sources turn out to be much more recent forgeries and interpolations (such as the Testimonium Flavianum; briefly, a 4th century interpolation by Christian authors using Christian idioms of a 1st century text by Jewish author who otherwise used decidedly non-Christian idioms). I'm happy to discuss the validity of the NT if you are, though I won't be back online for a few hours. (I want to use italics and whatnot, but it doesn't seem to work...)

 

[Jnwaco]

No, it is valid as evidence. It's just whether one accepts it as true evidence that is the debate.

Or, for instance, were I to be skeptical enough, you would fail to convince me that Bush preceded Obama as president of the United States. No matter what you showed me, I would just think it fabricated. Exagerated example, but you get the point.

Or, if you think that too much time had passed between the events and the writing (most historians do not) then you would have to throw out any textual evidence for historical characters such as Alexandar the Great.

 

[Doveaman]

Interpretation takes off where facts end. If the data states that a rock is 4.5 billion years old, then the universe is at least 4.5 billion years old; no amount of interpretation or religious belief will change that.

What is "data"?

And doesn't the "data" have to be interpreted?

 

[Doveaman]

So explain it to one who has a "mind locked up withing the realm of science" (as if that's a bad thing".

Being locked up is never a good thing.

What, to you, is faith?

Evidence.

What, to you, is proof?

Faith.

In what do you have faith?

God.

For what do you have proof?

God.

And, finally, what exactly is your proof?

Faith.

 

[kenblaster5000]

Ah yes, when reason and logic fail, resort to threats of eternal torture. What a charming fellow you are. Of course, I don’t suppose you could produce a single shred of sound, objective evidence to show that hell is real. No? I thought not. Your hollow threat is the last refuge of someone who has no justification for his ill-founded beliefs.

Justice is sweet. God gives us the choice between a blessing and cursing, life and death, and we see the route you choose. Life and death are in the power of the tongue. As you deny the Lord Jesus Christ, it is only fair for Him to keep His word and deny you before the Father. You know that I do not like you at all, but I am told to bless and not curse. Of course, I do not have to curse, by your free-will you curse yourself. Oh, sweet vindication. You have been given plenty of evidence as well as warning, but we cannot seem to get through the scales on your eyes and your closed ears. Yes even Darwin said that a scientist needs to have a heart of stone, but even His God would tell him that He could take that heart of stone and give him a heart of flesh. Be blessed.

 

[Meshach]

I agree with you. I also saw with my own eyes someone disappear right in front of my eyes and appear in Jamaica. I believe he actually did this. His name is David Copperfield and you can also see his miracles too.

Tumours have been known to shrink without medical intervention. This has happened to people from all walks of life and all religions. Perhaps it has to do with the ability of the body to heal itself! After all Sharks cannot acquire cancer. Even if tumours are induced in them the tumours disappear within days without harm to the shark.

Skeptics, that might be why Jesus told the man after he had healed him to tell no one.
Spending a short vapour of a life always wondering, doubting, walking in darkness when all this time God is right there knocking at the door. Too stubborn, too proud, need to see signs and wonders in order to believe and wont let Him in.

 

[Tinker Grey]

The Hindu's faith is evidence of Vishnu.
The Muslim's faith is evidence of Allah.
The Buddhist's faith is evidence of Nirvana.
The Aztec's faith is evidence of Quezacotl.
The Scientologist's faith is evidence of Thetans.

Faith is evidence of faith. Nothing else.

 

[sandwiches]

Our minds are already made up. Faith is the evidence.

So, if I have faith in unicorns, that's evidence that unicorns exist?

 

[Nathan Poe]

No, it is valid as evidence. It's just whether one accepts it as true evidence that is the debate.

Or, for instance, were I to be skeptical enough, you would fail to convince me that Bush preceded Obama as president of the United States. No matter what you showed me, I would just think it fabricated. Exagerated example, but you get the point.

Or, if you think that too much time had passed between the events and the writing (most historians do not) then you would have to throw out any textual evidence for historical characters such as Alexandar the Great.

In other words, you don't acknowledge truth, only inpterretation.

 

[Nostromo]

Tinker

Allahu akbar, case closed.

 

[AV1611VET]

Science is myopic, and faith is like a pair of glasses that restores eyesight to 20/20 vision.

Even then we "see through a glass darkly", but well enough that we don't need science to dictate to us.

 

[Nostromo]

Science is simply looking at things and describing how they behave.

Faith is looking at things and inserting your own explanation, rather than bothering to find out what's actually going on.

 

[sandwiches]

Science is myopic, and faith is like a pair of glasses that restores eyesight to 20/20 vision.

Even then we "see through a glass darkly", but well enough that we don't need science to dictate to us.

Words, words, and more words but no substance. Words are cheap and easy to come by. Something demonstrable and tangible or observable is much harder, or in the case of religion, impossible to produce.

 

[AV1611VET]

Science is simply looking at things and describing how they behave.

It can only look so far, then it must succumb to myopia.

Faith is looking at things and inserting your own explanation, rather than bothering to find out what's actually going on.

Faith is picking up where science leaves off, finding the answer, then revising science accordingly.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Words, words, and more words but no substance. Words are cheap and easy to come by. Something demonstrable and tangible or observable is much harder, or in the case of religion, impossible to produce.

Indeed. If science is myopic, religion is hallucinogenic.

 

[sandwiches]

It can only look so far, then it must succumb to myopia.Faith is picking up where science leaves off, finding the answer, then revising science accordingly.

Show us a single instance where science has been verifiably revised by faith ALONE without the use of more science.

 

[AV1611VET]

Words, words, and more words but no substance.

Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.

Words are cheap and easy to come by.

The pen is mightier than the sword.

Something demonstrable and tangible or observable is much harder, or in the case of religion, impossible to produce.

Ya --- it's called myopia.

And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

 

[sandwiches]

Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.The pen is mightier than the sword.Ya --- it's called myopia.

Empty words.

Show us a single instance where science has been verifiably revised by faith ALONE without the use of more science.