Some Evangelical Christians evangelizing in predominantly Christian countries

[Gleb Yakunin]

Another misunderstanding ...

The OC does not think Christians who are not members of the OC are OC; it does not say they are not Christian.

Yeah, tell that to the Greeks who say they landed first in Florida.

 

[Secundulus]

In an attempt to stay within OP, peaceful evangelism is a good thing, war is not.

You already took it outside the OP.

You said, "Augustine, I believe had such an idea and taught the theology of 'just war'. . He may have been of the West, but in his day there was one Church, right?" http://www.christianforums.com/reputation.php?p=54004100

Do you believe there is no just war?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

In an attempt to stay within OP, peaceful evangelism is a good thing, war is not.

Is war ever inevitable?

edit to add: Btw, welcome to CF/GT

Reve 16:14 For they are spirits of demons doing signs which is going out upon the kings of whole the homed-one, to be together-assembling/sun-agagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle of the Day, that the great, of the God the Almighty.
[2 Peter 3:12]

 

[Julina]

They came to the USA leaving their jurisdiction. America was founded by those seeking religous freedom and toleration. Protestants.

And since America is the melting pot that it is, the OC followed to administer to the faithful in a new country, problem is, the country was Protestant and the OC began to envangelize right in the backyard.

Who does the OC send missionaries to? Pagans? You know as well as I, the OC does not think that the Protestants are Christians and vice-versa.

don't tell me what i know or don't know. the Orthodox i know do NOT think that way

 

[Gleb Yakunin]

The east does not have "Augustinian theology" ... we do not accept his teachings. He is a Saint for his deep repentance. If we do not accept or live his teachings, how can they be said to be part of us ?
It would be like saying the UCC (descended from the Congregationalists, who descended from the Pilgrims) believes that Quakers and Baptists should be persecuted - because the pilgrims persecuted them.

In the east, war is considered always evil. It is sometimes a necessary evil, where defense is called for, but it is still evil.

Then why is Augustine Commemorated on June 15 in the OC?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

don't tell me what i know or don't know. the Orthodox i know do NOT think that way

I rather like the EO Congregation/Church

The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox - Christian Forums
The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox

 

[Thekla]

Another misunderstanding ...

The OC does not think Christians who are not members of the OC are OC; it does not say they are not Christian.

Yeah, tell that to the Greeks who say they landed first in Florida.

So there's another (I was giving a lesser known example).

But I don't understand how this responds to the factual error re: who is Christian ?

 

[Thekla]

Then why is Augustine Commemorated on June 15 in the OC?

I stated this already: for his deep repentance.

We do not have the theology of Original Sin, etc. His teachings are not accepted in the eastern Church.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I stated this already: for his deep repentance.

We do not have the theology of Original Sin, etc. His teachings are not accepted in the eastern Church.

Greetings Thekla!
Which ones?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7353336-45/#post51145537
Was Augustine Sola Scriptura?

 

[Gleb Yakunin]

Is war ever inevitable?

edit to add: Btw, welcome to CF/GT
Thank you dear brother.

War; as long there are men, there will be war. Many Christians fought in wars for our country, USA, and they are to be honored. However, imo, our government should avoid war, especially on foreign soil.

 

[Secundulus]

Is war ever inevitable?

edit to add: Btw, welcome to CF/GT
Thank you dear brother.

War; as long there are men, there will be war. Many Christians fought in wars for our country, USA, and they are to be honored. However, imo, our government should avoid war, especially on foreign soil.

If you do not believe there is any just war, then why do you honor men that fought in an unjust cause?

Do you honor any man that simply obeys his government's orders to kill, as long as he is a Christian?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Is war really a part of the human condition? Did Jesus not change that? I would like to see a thread on that because I don't believe that everyone agrees that it's inevitable.

 

[Gleb Yakunin]

If you do not believe there is any just war, then why do you honor men that fought in an unjust cause?

Do you honor any man that simply obeys his government's orders to kill, as long as he is a Christian?

oh my brother who lays snares, yes, I honor all those who serve in the military. Try as you might, there is no such thing as 'just war'. If you ever been on the battle field, you would see no justices in it, only survival.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7433483/#post54004226

If you do not believe there is any just war, then why do you honor men that fought in an unjust cause?

Do you honor any man that simply obeys his government's orders to kill, as long as he is a Christian?

There were many during the period of the Vietnam war that either deserted or burned their draft cards simply because they refused to kill others in what they felt was an unjust war.

I know, because I had to join in '68 to avoid being drafted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hBSGEzpw-8&feature=related

 

[Secundulus]

Is war really a part of the human condition? Did Jesus not change that? I would like to see a thread on that because I don't believe that everyone agrees that it's inevitable.

History testifies that War, like greed, is part of the human condition. Did Jesus force everyone to renounce the world and follow him? No. So it remains today part of the human condition.

Only at the second coming will it be eliminated.

 

[Secundulus]

oh my brother who lays snares, yes, I honor all those who serve in the military. Try as you might, there is no such thing as 'just war'. If you ever been on the battle field, you would see no justices in it, only survival.

Well, I served 24 years in the armed forces of the USA and have seen my share of piles of dead bodies. Fortunately, I have been spared the task of killing.

But I am not laying snares. There is certainly just war if for no other reason that evil still rules the hearts of many men. Surrender to injustice is not just, it is simply cowardice.

 

[Gleb Yakunin]

I stated this already: for his deep repentance.

oh, ok. Then if that is all it takes, you and I shall have our day as well.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Well, I served 24 years in the armed forces of the USA and have seen my share of piles of dead bodies. Fortunately, I have been spared the task of killing.

But I am not laying snares. There is certainly just war if for no other reason that evil still rules the hearts of many men. Surrender to injustice is not just, it is simply cowardice.

Beware the Snare

Reve 2:14 But I am having against of thee a few.
That thou are having there ones-holding the teaching of Balaam, who taught to-the Balak to be casting a snare before the sons of Israel to be eating idol sacrifices and to prostitute.
[Numbers 22, 23,24]

 

[Gleb Yakunin]

Well, I served 24 years in the armed forces of the USA and have seen my share of piles of dead bodies. Fortunately, I have been spared the task of killing.

But I am not laying snares. There is certainly just war if for no other reason that evil still rules the hearts of many men. Surrender to injustice is not just, it is simply cowardice.

No 'just war' doctrine is of God but by man.

If you are 50, then you did not see viet nam, and probably retired prior to the second Gulf war, right?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No 'just war' doctrine is of God but by man.

If you are 50, then you did not see viet nam, and probably retired prior to the second Gulf war, right?

Btw, how old are you GY?

edit to add: is that you in the pic?