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Some Evangelical Christians evangelizing in predominantly Christian countries

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Where are the Orthodox missionising Christians of other Churches ?

I don't have to look far to answer your question. Pella, Iowa has an Orthodox Mission. Pella was founded as a Dutch Reformed colony and remains thoroughly Dutch Reformed to this day. Unless the Orthodox do not believe the Dutch Reformed Church is Christian, then I submit that this is one example for you to consider.
 
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I don't have to look far to answer your question. Pella, Iowa has an Orthodox Mission. Pella was founded as a Dutch Reformed colony and remains thoroughly Dutch Reformed to this day. Unless the Orthodox do not believe the Dutch Reformed Church is Christian, then I submit that this is one example for you to consider.

A mission Church is not the same as missionising; mission Churches are beginning parishes. A new parish location is requested; if approved, a mission parish is started. Often there is not a full-time priest there.

Are the EO from this mission parish working to de-convert the Reformed Christians in the area ?
 
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There is a difference between being predominately Christian and being predominately so-called Christians. If the missionaries honestly think that the gospel isn't being presented, then why shouldn't they go there? And why do you think that there are no missionaries to Muslim and Hindu countries? We support a missionary family who is in a Muslim country. I heard an interview with a man who is leading a church building mission in India where they are starting 100 churches a day. Yes, a day. Not huge churches. Home churches. But the point is, that missionaries are not neglecting some for others. They are going where they feel called.

With all due respect, judging who is "predominantly Christian" and being 'predominantly a so-called Christian" is no mere human being's decision to make--that belongs to Christ alone. And Christ made it abundantly clear what would happen to those who feel they have the ability to make that call instead of leaving it to Him. The very standards we have used to judge whether others are "true Christians" or "so-called Christians" will be used on us when it is our turn to be judged. Personally, I think I'll leave the decision as to who is a "true Christian" and a "so-called Christian" up to the only One who has that right and the ability to make that call--Our Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ. One thing I've learned in reading about the lives of the truly holy is that they refuse to judge another person because they honestly think that they are the worst of sinners. Christ taught in the Beatitudes that "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God". The paradox is that the more you see God, the more you see your sin.
 
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A mission Church is not the same as missionising; mission Churches are beginning parishes. A new parish location is requested; if approved, a mission parish is started. Often there is not a full-time priest there.

Are the EO from this mission parish working to de-convert the Reformed Christians in the area ?
Would that imply the EO's would like to see those convert to the EO Church and not the RC Church?
The Muslims use the word "REVERT" whenever anyone joins that religion for example ehehe
 
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and how would you know if the gospel is being presented or not among these "predominately so-called Christian" countries?
I would suppose that there would be some interaction somewhere along the lines. You don't suppose that every group that calls themselves Christian are actually saved, do you?
 
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With all due respect, judging who is "predominantly Christian" and being 'predominantly a so-called Christian" is no mere human being's decision to make--that belongs to Christ alone. And Christ made it abundantly clear what would happen to those who feel they have the ability to make that call instead of leaving it to Him. The very standards we have used to judge whether others are "true Christians" or "so-called Christians" will be used on us when it is our turn to be judged. Personally, I think I'll leave the decision as to who is a "true Christian" and a "so-called Christian" up to the only One who has that right and the ability to make that call--Our Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ. One thing I've learned in reading about the lives of the truly holy is that they refuse to judge another person because they honestly think that they are the worst of sinners. Christ taught in the Beatitudes that "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God". The paradox is that the more you see God, the more you see your sin.
Okay, then since we can't judge, isn't that all the more reason to evangelize?
 
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I don't know :)

The Muslims seem to have an aversion to "reversion" ^_^^_^
I found a thread on it :angel:

http://www.christianforums.com/t2541578-4/#post21518832
Europeans Revert to Islam for Peace: US Paper

*snip* OP:

Islam is a message that appeals to more and more Europeans who are “looking for inner peace and reacting to the moral uncertainties of Western society”, Muslim and non-Muslim researchers told a leading US paper Tuesday, December 27.

Although there are no precise figures, observers who monitor Europe's Muslim population estimate that tens of thousand of men and women revert each year, The Christian Science Monitor(CSM)said.
 
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good question,

I would guess that each missionary would pull out their book of theological dogma's. A baptist may see the that the Orthodox are not right or correct, so they will send missionaries. Then the Orthodox may see that the Protestants are not credible and they will send missionaries. And the Protestants will continue to protest the Catholic's.

And so goes the cycle of Christology.
except the Orthodox don't send missionaries to the protestants.
 
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The more is the pity because multitudes are illegally entering your country in the very hope of the freedom and liberty you now enjoy. Even greater multitudes have U.S. citizenship as a high, in unattanable aspiration. I have yet to meet a Chinese citizen who does not want to become a rich, capitalist American or any Indian citizen who would gladly escape the bondage of the caste system to become an American or a Russian who would not prefer to be an American or an average Iranian Muslim who would not like to practice his religion freely in America without the domination of the mullahs and the President of Iran.

When you decide you are completely sick of the United States, our borders are perfectly open for you to emigrate to whatever country is willing to take you in.
I am well aware of this, b7. I am grateful for the freedom I have in this country and for the "goodness" for the most part. But when one peels away the layers, the U.S. is just another country as other countries in this world (UK, Australia, France, etc.) that have their good and bad sides. No country is perfect. This is the point I think needs to be made because growing up in the country (especially being a military brat and married to military the past 12, almost 13 years) we are taught that the U.S. is the best country on the planet.
 
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And you sound like someone the Bible says I shouldn't argue with according to your folly.
I sometimes post on another large Forum and there was an interesting thread on the EO board there.
I won't put the link up here since it is against CF rules I think, but here was one Calvinist reply concerning the EO Church being Christian: :wave:

OP: Is Eastern Orthodoxy Christian?

quote Calvinist/Reformed: NO! it's a heritical arminian cult that preaches another gospel, that is salvation by works and is just as twisted as the RRC
 
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I would suppose that there would be some interaction somewhere along the lines. You don't suppose that every group that calls themselves Christian are actually saved, do you?
that is not my job to decide. it's God's
 
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where would you go, which government can you name that is without sin?
None. No country is perfect. This is what we Americans need to realize....that the U.S. isn't perfect (many feel this way).
 
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In that case, it would make sense to evangelize among those Christians who have a theology you are familiar with -- so Calvinists would evangelise other Reformed Churches.
Not really. Why? Because in reformed churches, we would already assume the the correct gospel is being preached. We can't assume that in other churches or nations. Theology matters. It isn't just to create clubs. For the reformed, theology reflects what we believe the true gospel is. So we would want to, necessarily, spread that to whomever we could. I am not above sheep stealing, either. :D
 
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Hi, Bro_Sam :)

I posted this to you, though it seems to have been overlooked.

It would be cool if you would share the sort of information and training you received about Russian culture, and the cultures of South America :thumbsup:

This has become a long thread, so I thought it might be acceptable to repeat myself:

Cultures tend to have different mindsets, and different ways of understanding things. They also recollect "different histories", or different aspects of the same history.

One of my concerns is that the OChurch, having been a martyr Church for so many decades, might be assisted by US Chistians as an act of brotherly love. To see the opportunity in Russia as one of helping those who had lost to rebuild and minister to their own people (the Russians).

Another concern, is that many in the US misread EOrthodoxy, and are unfamiliar with its theology and history.

Finally, protestant missionaries in Alaska were involved in actively working to de-convert the Aleut/RussianEOrthodox there (in the 20th c.) -- to make them protestant. Certainly the Orthodox Church in Russia remembers the history of her own Churches in Alaska.
Similar efforts occurred in Ireland/RCatholicism (19th c.), the Philippines/RCatholicism (19th and 20th c.), the Americas/RCatholicism (S America, 20th c), the Ukraine (20th c.) as well as the Alaskan example I mentioned above (which included the forced removal of children from their families).

Given the potential misunderstandings (theological and cultural), the historical record on attempted deconversions, and the reality of the ROrthodox as a martyr Church, perhaps it might be easier to understand the concerns.

God bless, and thank-you !

EDIT: I forgot to mention Central America during the 2oth c. as another example of de-conversion efforts (away from RCatholicism).
 
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