Wisconsin group argues Catholics can use contraception in good conscience

[Fantine]

I didn't call anyone insufferably self-righteous.

I just don't believe God compartmentalizes. I believe he looks at us as "whole" and not "the sum of our parts."

I believe strongly that during our time on earth we find fulfillment in our relationship with God and with other people. That we are meant to love and serve one another on earth.

And I believe that most people try to do that, even if none of us succeeds completely.

Sin is a bit of a mystery for me. I often feel more remorse for what I DON'T do (sins of omission) than for what I DO do (sins of commission.) The sins of omission might not show up in any magic formulae or rule books, but I know they exist. They exist whenever I give my "some" instead of my "all" to the people I love, to my career, to those who need my help.

As far as sins of COmission go, I'm past the age where things like birth control and sexual sins are a big temptation or, in the case of birth control, even biologically necessary.

But if I had to examine my conscience over my lifetime, the fact that I had a tubal 20 years ago would be one of the least of my sins, at least in my mind. "What I have failed to do" would trump 99% of the "what I have dones."

And I sometimes wonder whether people who don't practice birth control (for example) look at that as some magic amulet that will counter the "what one fails to do." Or whether they even worry about the "what one fails to do" since it isn't mentioned in any official rules.

 

[Michie]

Exclusive: Archbishop Listecki sets the record straight on "Young Catholics for Choice"

Earlier today I briefly mentioned the extraordinary, deceptive measures undertaken by Catholics for Choice to convince young Catholics to use contraception (reported on here by the Marquette Tribune).

I am overjoyed to see that the incoming Archbishop of Milwaukee, Jerome E. Listecki, today set the record straight on the Church's teaching. Here is the text of the Archbishop-Designate's statement (bolding is my own):

"It has come to my attention that an organization calling itself “Young Catholics for Choice” has recently entered into collaboration with Family Planning HealthServices of Wausau. Through media advertising, “Young Catholics for Choice” is attempting to convey the message that Catholics can disregard Church teaching regarding contraception, abortion and human sexuality in general and remain Catholics in good standing.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

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Continued- http://www.americanpapist.com/2009/12/exclusive-archbishop-designate-listecki.html

 

[Fantine]

The letter seems fairly gentle to me. It seems as if the bishop is interested in keeping these young Catholics, who are obviously involved and passionate, in the Church, even as he prays they will change their opinion on one issue.

And well he should. Because these young people are probably the future leaders of parish councils and the future "pillars of the Church." The young Catholics who don't care as much as they do aren't out taking risks. They're just ignoring the rules about contraception in their own homes and not making any waves in their parishes.

I would much rather have someone involved and passionate in my parish, even if we didn't agree on every issue, than someone who just shrugs and ignores the rules on the QT.

What a smart bishop.

 

[isshinwhat]

The Bishop also pointed out that they have cast aside "...their Catholic heritage, tragically distancing themselves from that communion with the Church to which they are called. We pray that they may reconcile their position which is contrary to the Catholic Faith they claim to profess."

 

[Michie]

Milwaukee Archbishop: You Can't Call Yourself Catholic and Support Contraception

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/dec/09121503.html

 

[Michie]

Wisconsin ‘pro-choice Catholic’ group is disowning Catholic heritage, Archbishop Listecki states

 

[D'Ann]

Praying for the young Catholics who obviously have been misled into what they believe is allowed verses not allowed. Their soul, like all of our souls, when we are in sin, are in peril of everlasting Hell.

That being said, there is hope. There are a lot of young Catholics who are true to the Church teachings. They are NOT activists, but they are the backbone of the Church in their youth movement.

This new Young Catholics for Choice movement is just another heretical movement, which the Church has always stood up against and will continue to stand up against. They won't turn their backs on any sinner, but the incorrect lying teachings of this movement will never be accepted by the Church or true Catholics.

This is not just about sin, it's much much more. It's a movement to undermine the Church and her teachings. This movement's goal is to minimize what pro-creation is truly all about while teaching that it's okay to disobey the Church teachings. Why was the devil thrown out of heaven? He was prideful and disobedient and refused to repent. He had no remorse over his sins. He didn't LOVE God ENOUGH to sincerely be remorseful and repentful and ask forgiveness and turn from the ugliness of sin in his heart and AMEND his/her life.

There is a scripture in the Bible that talks about searing our conscience like a hot iron by sinning. The more we sin, the further we get from truth and God and the more sin, the less our conscience will care, which harden's the heart.

Yes, we need to always be loving and compassionate to each other and pray for one another. That being said, we still need to take a stand against sin and wrongful teachings, despite our own struggles of sin. We still need to step up to the plate and continue to seek Christ and doing His will.

It's getting to the point, that Christians who are true to Christ and His Church (His Bride), will need to actively step up to the plate and fight actively against a lot of immoral teachings.

There are a ton of movements seeking to undermine God, marriage, procreation, and pushing the death card aka killing our elderly and disabled and mentally ill folks and our unborn babies. This is so immoral and so against God and the teachings of the Church.

There are also groups trying to remove our religious freedom as well, which isn't going to happen. Since some can't change Christianity and conform it into what they want it to be, they seek to destroy it... well, nothing new with that, these groups of people have existed for centuries and by God's grace, Christianity will overcome as it always has and always will. The government and these groups cannot change the heart or the will of the people.

Praying... because there will be a time when each Christian will need to do more than pray.

 

[Michie]

Praying for the young Catholics who obviously have been misled into what they believe is allowed verses not allowed. Their soul, like all of our souls, when we are in sin, are in peril of everlasting Hell.

That being said, there is hope. There are a lot of young Catholics who are true to the Church teachings. They are NOT activists, but they are the backbone of the Church in their youth movement.

This new Young Catholics for Choice movement is just another heretical movement, which the Church has always stood up against and will continue to stand up against. They won't turn their backs on any sinner, but the incorrect lying teachings of this movement will never be accepted by the Church or true Catholics.

This is not just about sin, it's much much more. It's a movement to undermine the Church and her teachings. This movement's goal is to minimize what pro-creation is truly all about while teaching that it's okay to disobey the Church teachings. Why was the devil thrown out of heaven? He was prideful and disobedient and refused to repent. He had no remorse over his sins. He didn't LOVE God ENOUGH to sincerely be remorseful and repentful and ask forgiveness and turn from the ugliness of sin in his heart and AMEND his/her life.

There is a scripture in the Bible that talks about searing our conscience like a hot iron by sinning. The more we sin, the further we get from truth and God and the more sin, the less our conscience will care, which harden's the heart.

Yes, we need to always be loving and compassionate to each other and pray for one another. That being said, we still need to take a stand against sin and wrongful teachings, despite our own struggles of sin. We still need to step up to the plate and continue to seek Christ and doing His will.

It's getting to the point, that Christians who are true to Christ and His Church (His Bride), will need to actively step up to the plate and fight actively against a lot of immoral teachings.

There are a ton of movements seeking to undermine God, marriage, procreation, and pushing death card, like abortion, putting down our elderly and disabled and mentally ill folks.

Praying... because there will be a time when each Christian will need to do more than pray.

I couldn't agree more!

It's so good to see you D'Ann. Breath of fresh air you are!

 

[D'Ann]

I couldn't agree more!

It's so good to see you D'Ann. Breath of fresh air you are!

You are a breath of fresh air too. I'm so glad to see you here and reading the articles that you post.

I don't come to CF very often anymore, but when I can, it's nice to see you and AMDG and others.

 

[Michie]

I'm glad you haven't left us completely. We need the boost from your visits.

 

[D'Ann]

I'm glad you haven't left us completely. We need the boost from your visits.

I do need to come by more often. I do miss our OBOB very much, but sometimes, it just really hurts my heart to read some of the posts here. I really miss so many strong Catholics who use to post here and have left. It's really does break my heart to see the OBOB be where it is now. That being said, I do need to visit more and not give up the fight and with God's grace continue to lovingly share truth along side with you sis.

God bless

 

[Michie]

I know... it sad but people come & go. What gets me are those that proclaim Catholic but show nothing but disdain for the Faith. *sigh*

Anyway, I do hope you come around more often. We need more people that love the Faith & less that criticize it.

 

[D'Ann]

I know... it sad but people come & go. What gets me are those that proclaim Catholic but show nothing but disdain for the Faith. *sigh*

Anyway, I do hope you come around more often. We need more people that love the Faith & less that criticize it.

Maybe Bob will come on by too. When we are gathered in His name.... all things (like having room here in the OBOB for Catholics who love the Church) are possible by God's grace.

 

[Michie]

Maybe Bob will come on by too. When we are gathered in His name.... all things (like having room here in the OBOB for Catholics who love the Church) are possible by God's grace.

I'd love if Bob came. We need people that love the Faith here. Even if they struggle with it. As we all do.

And tell that Bob of yours I need some more recipes. He knows the destination on that one.

 

[D'Ann]

I'd love if Bob came. We need people that love the Faith here. Even if they struggle with it. As we all do.

And tell that Bob of yours I need some more recipes. He knows the destination on that one.

He enjoys sharing recipes and he has some good ones to post when he gets around to it. LOL

 

[Fantine]

(Yawn) It takes a peculiar sort of arrogance to assume that the only people who love the Church are those who agree with them on a few narrow moral issues.

My New Year's resolution is not to let this peculiar arrogance annoy me...

 

[Michie]

National Cancer Institute Researcher Louise Brinton Reverses Position, Finally Admits Abortion Raises Breast Cancer Risk in Study that Fingers Oral Contraceptives as a Probable Cause of Triple-Negative Breast Cancer - Christian Newswire

Study is 9 months old, but still no warnings from cancer establishment

Contact: Karen Malec, Coalition on Abortion/Breast Cancer, 847-421-4000

MEDIA ADVISORY, Jan. 6 /Christian Newswire/ --

Less than two months since the U.S. Preventative Services Task Force issued new guidelines recommending against routine mammograms for women in their forties, a second breast cancer scandal involving a U.S. government panel of experts has come to light which has implications for healthcare reform.

An April 2009 study by Jessica Dolle et al. of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center examining the relationship between oral contraceptives (OCs) and triple-negative breast cancer (TNBC) in women under age 45 contained an admission from U.S. National Cancer Institute (NCI) researcher Louise Brinton and her colleagues (including Janet Daling) that abortion raises breast cancer risk by 40%. [1]

Continued- http://christiannewswire.com/news/9589812599.html

 

[Michie]

(Yawn) It takes a peculiar sort of arrogance to assume that the only people who love the Church are those who agree with them on a few narrow moral issues.

My New Year's resolution is not to let this peculiar arrogance annoy me...

Well Fantine, imo it takes a particular sort of arrogance to talk out of both sides of your mouth. Comparing Bishops to herders with cattle prods. Taking the opposite view of everything the Church says & does all the while claiming you love the Church/faith? Everything that is said by you concerning our Bishops & clergy doing their jobs is spoken with disdain.

While nuns that misrepresent Church teaching by escorting women to abortion clinics etc., are strong brave women.

Liberal politicians are more defended by you than any member of clergy unless they are stepping out of the bounds of what the Church teaches. Some politicians are called living saints infact. After directly speaking out against the Church.

So yeah... *yawn*.

I feel the same sitting from here.

 

[isshinwhat]

[sarcasm]I love you, honey, I just enjoy my mistress' company, too.[/sarcasm]

I wonder why some people even bother calling themselves Catholic, unless it's just to prove a point...

 

[AMDG]

I wonder why some people even bother calling themselves Catholic, unless it's just to prove a point...

Don't you know, they are called "check box Catholics" like in on a survey where the person is asked to check the box of the gender, race, religion... that applies to him.

Unfortunately, it confuses a lot of others as to what Catholics really hold and makes them think that what Catholics say doesn't matter.